Just a reminder that early christianity was politheistic and pagan. In Genesis there were at least 4 different authors and they use different words for god, Yahweh and Elohim. Elohim is the plural form of El and means "Gods". It is used in clear context to signify that there are multiple gods.
Yahweh is referenced separately from Elyon, which means "God most high" and is the "One above all". Elyon has multiple gods under him, the hebrew god being only one.
This is a consensus between all bible scholars.
Your entire notion of divinity is just a gigantic lie.
Just a reminder that early christianity was politheistic and pagan...
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William Morgan
>Just a reminder that early christianity was politheistic and pagan
Hmm this seems to be at odds with the entire academic consensus, interesting.
>In Genesis there were at least 4 different authors and they use different words for god, Yahweh and Elohim. Elohim is the plural form of El and means "Gods". It is used in clear context to signify that there are multiple gods.
Yahweh is referenced separately from Elyon, which means "God most high" and is the "One above all". Elyon has multiple gods under him, the hebrew god being only one.
You're talking about very early Israelites, not Christianity. They did acknowledge multiple "gods" but only ever worshipped one, and this is entirely consistent with a series of gradual revelations (which is what most Christians and Jews believe).
>This is a consensus between all bible scholars.
Citation needed
Samuel Flores
Yeah, by revelations you mean the very deliberate decision of retconning the religion into monotheist to claim ethnic superiority to their cause that can be easily seen as the texts from several authors develop.
If it was the truth from the start being "revealed" then it would've stated the same on the very first revelation.
Henry Peterson
The religion was never polytheist in the first place, even when ancient Israelites acknowledged other gods they only worshipped one.
>different words for god
Woah holy shit imagine that, different words can refer to the same thing!
Jordan Wood
BASED
Matthew Peterson
Acknowledging the existence of other gods makes it by definition politheistic, it's in the fucking etymology.
On politheistic societies there always were separate people who "worshiped" only one of those gods, it doesn't mean it was monotheistic.
If you believe anything in the gospels as literal you're an idiot.
Ayden Price
>Acknowledging the existence of other gods makes it by definition politheistic
No it doesn't, you can believe that multiple gods exist while only worshipping one. The Old Testament explicitly prohibits worshipping multiple gods.
>On politheistic societies there always were separate people who "worshiped" only one of those gods, it doesn't mean it was monotheistic.
Yes, but polytheistic pagan societies always worshipped multiple gods, that wasn't the case with Israelites.
>If you believe anything in the gospels as literal you're an idiot.
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Samuel Peterson
this is no true, early Judaism was, during Christianity it was already completely monotheistic.
Elohim is a bad argument, since the plural variant is used to express divinity and doesn't necessarily have a plural meaning. on the other hand, it is said in the genesis that God said: let US create men in OUR image.
btw the whole creation story is ripped from Mesopotamian and Canaanite creation stories, with slight modifications. El Elyon also was a title of a pagan Canaanite God andd Yahweh use to be one of the Gods too.
Brandon Miller
It doesn't considering that other gods mentioned there are either false idols that aren't God and only are called so for being called gods by degenerates or human beings, made in image of God as for example in Psalm 82. Only other (small g) gods that actually exist are humans. For reference Google divinization/theosis
Leo Perry
Reminder that Christianiry is still politheistic
Easton Evans
Btw I am not this user and at least last part of his post is bullshit
Wyatt Walker
Reminder that Christmas is a stolen holiday and pagan. Santa was Odin, the reindeer was his horse Sleipner who had 8 legs and the food was a way of celebrating the midwinter solstice.
Jesus wasn't even born in the winter...
Christopher Cox
Jason Edwards
But they weren't referred as false idols, in fact in genesis it is these multiple gods that made the universe so all of them are true gods. In deuteronomy in the MT and the LXX versions it is stated that these gods are equal they just rule over different people and Yahweh is merely the god of the sons of Israel.
Matthew Scott
Evan Martinez
Yes I know that and it's no different than Englishmen using "God" or us using "ghmerti". El and Elton are both common words in west Semitic languages. So using same title doesn't mean that it is used to describe same entity. But I wasn't only refering to this. I'm on the phone so Im to lazy to post everything in detail, but mesopotamia part is bullshit considering that there gods made humans as a slave race and have nothing in common what are described in genesis asides the flood which is an universal account anyway found even amongst Aztecs.
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>Wikipedia
It doesn't and you are bloody retarded who didn't even read the Bible as it seems, for God only refers to himself in plural when he is talking, while referred in single in other parts. It says in the beginning God made heaven and earth, which in Hebrew is "bereshit bara Elohim". In case of your idiotic theory of some """scholars""", it should be "bereshit baru Elohim"
Nathan Brooks
>for God only refers to himself in plural when he is talking, while referred in single in other parts
That is outright wrong.
Deutoronomy 32 separates Elyon from Yahweh, retard.
Luis Baker
Except that it doesn't you fucking moron. This is like saying that official documents separate Elisabeth II and person titled "Her royal Majesty"
John Cooper
King James reading moron. Go read the source.
Wyatt Collins
>muh KJV autism
I'm not an Andersonite
Also that wasn't even my point. You would realize it if you weren't an illiterate favelado without reading comprehension.
Hudson Gutierrez
>Reminder that Christmas is a stolen holiday and pagan
But it's not
Adrian Price
It doesn't prove it by itself, but it's still useful to consider.
there are similarities between Adapa and Adam, there's also the garden called Edin and there are enough other detailed similarities that I can't remember top of my head.
Jaxon James
Christmas tree is a medieval Baltic invention
Benjamin Johnson
>Adapa
Yes there were found some similarities, however mostly they are rejected and Alexander Heidel even called these narratives antipodes. there are numerous parts that are different, such as Adapa wasnt even a first men, but just a men. but one fundamental one is that Adapa was mortal who never ascended to immortality. Adam, however, was made in Imago Dei, was immortal and only suffered corruption after disobedience. As it is said in Wisdom chapter 2:23: "For God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity.
>Edin
This is merely how semitic languages work, all are based around same roots and only diverge later on. For example k-t-b root refers to writing, alif-m-n to truth. Similarly, Eden has 'Ayn-d-n root common in semitic languages.
Luis Ross
the stories are obviously not identical. there is more than just an etymological connection here, someone giving another a fruit to eat in a garden in paradise then god being enraged and punishing him, come on there is no abstract academic wankery needed here, the similarities are quite obvious.
Nathaniel Johnson
This dude is actually trying to contest the unquestionable rooting of judaism from half a hundred other religions and projecting his own conjecture about semantics of titles and names when the distinction is fucking obvious and it's clearly borrowed from Akkadian and Sumerian traditions.
Benjamin Young
>unquestionable
>his own conjecture
>fucking obvious
>clearly borrowed
I know a guy from '40s Germany who really loved these words and phrases too.
Mason Ross
>word is complicated me no understand!
Zachary Rogers
There is needed because surface level similarities dont mean anything, even if you can regard it similar in the sense we are talking about (By that though, biblical flood story is also similar to Aztec flood story as I have stated earlier). Adapa was mortal, who was given chance to become immortal and be given "food of life" and "water of life", which he refused. Adam was immortal who disobeyed God and thus became corruptible (theologically last part has far massive exegesis by church fathers, but I want delve into that part). Though this is basically repeating my earlier post.
>A-bloo-bloo
opinion discarded. Also, a favelado without reading comprehension shouldnt be laughing at others about complicated words.
Bentley Price
flood story is just a single thing, find me: the waters being divided + the garden story + days matching the number of the tablets + the sequence being this similar in the aztecs or any other far-away lands.
you can repeat all the differences you want, it won't negate the similarities. like I said before, I'm not claiming that the stories are identical or not have differences.
David Ortiz
You're almost there, friend. Soon, you too will understand the truth.
Samuel Rogers
old testament = torah, what jews believe in
David Peterson
>i make my own highly personal interpretations of text, that means i have gud reading comprehension!
Dumb christcuck. Also claims it's all a metaphor when objective reality discredits his holy book.
Blake Jenkins
Torah is the first five books of the Old Testament. Protestant Old Testament is the same as the Jewish Bible, I think.