1. your cunt

make everyone mad but pretend only the people you don't like are mad

"I am just meming and never seriously wanted to be here".
But somehow he is still better then anything the US had in the decades before.

Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of here, volga. Goddamn, I am so sick of your shit. Almost makes me want to buy a glock just so I could cap your ass.

>he is still better then anything the US had in the decades before
This.

Build the wall!

Why are you so mad?

Just objectively looking at it, at least he isn't invading the middle East and at least he doesn't want your country flooded with non whites...

Right-wing populism with a strong non-interventionist bent. And I don't mean 'right-wing' in the 'fiscal conservative' way. Trump has basically removed all of the Republican orthodoxy from his cabinet now and is likely going to start running domestic policies more akin to a democrat than a republican, especially if he gets a win in 2020. He was a registered democrat up until very recently, after all.

h1b visas lol
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Thanks for voting for Republicans 100 times during the midterms, your support is appreciated!

>Trump was a democrat
>Clinton was already lobbying for a "barrier" long before
[Shrug]

>h1b visas lol
There are a lot worse things, at least it isn't "let everyone in".

Do you really think all the illegal aliens voted for Trump? That's why Democrats are crazy about voter id, right?

When did I say that hmmmm?
okay virgin

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Do you think the republican party will shift back to more traditional pre-trump politics after he is gone or do you think his tenure has inherently changed the way they do politics?

>more traditional pre-trump politics
Corporate shilling cucks?

Shoo shoo cockroach, your opinion is irrelevant.

American people will reelect Trump again.

I think American politics have gone into this pendulum effect of "X side isn't working, Y side should". Like from Bush to Obama then to Trump. Who knows, even people are still waiting for Sanders to take it up on 2020. The guy looks like he would just keel over and die though

No, the Republican party orthodoxy was rotted out long before Trump came along. If I had to guess, we're going to see them ultimately turn into a populist pro-business party in favor of government welfare programs. Look at Theodore Roosevelt's presidency for an idea of where the Republicans will likely end up. Everything old is new again.

>Pro business
>Government welfare

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I should clarify what I mean about them turning pro-welfare: the new Republicans are likely going to be former Democrats who are too socially conservative for the current Democrats. A lot of the fiscal policies will remain intact in the transition.

Trump has already called out the Fed for causing the recession. It's likely he intends to politicize their operations and weaponize monetary policy.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

>the new Republicans are likely going to be former Democrats who are too socially conservative for the current Democrats
This is happening for a couple of decades now.

The only way to accomplish more welfare without harming businesses is to tax the population.

What the fuck is happening to yankland lads

Political parties undergoing implosion. It happens every 50-70 years. Last time it happened was during the Great Depression, where FDR set roughly where the two parties were going to stand on things. Everyone is shuffling around trying to form coalitions, nothing is agreed upon, and nothing is getting done. Last time we saw this was during the Hoover administration and FDR's first term.

>nothing is getting done
That's the best thing any gov should do.

>Cant decide on the national budget
>Instead of continue running with the already existing program a government shutdown happens
I admit i felt a little pity for the mutts

Incidentally, fun fact about Hoover: He was also a businessman who had never held political office before. Make of that what you will.

Their majority in the Senate isn't large enough to get 60 votes for legislation without Democrats.

I thought so too, but if that was the case he'd be doing it now. You could easily get the Dems to vote for the wall if they get single payer for all

Are magatards still pending trump is great?

The problem is that the Dems aren't a unified party anymore. Just look at the clash between Ocasio-Cortez and Nancy Pelosi. There's a faction of the party that wouldn't vote for anything Trump proposes even if he proposed Bernie Sanders-style social democracy tomorrow.

The parties always realign themselves at some point. Remember, the Democrats used to be the party of slavery and Jim Crow, and now they're the saviors of al non-white Americans.

The GOP used to be strict fiscal conservatives, the Barry Goldwater came and introduced populism. I think Nixon was the one that started the trend of pandering to conservative Christians.

Pretending, that should say

GOP will never again be like it was before; if they backslide then they will be even less electable than ever.

Corporate welfare.
The biggest losers are small businesses (who can't handle the margins) and end consumers (who have limited choice).

Don't forget that the Dems are largely non-interventionist and opposed getting involved in Syria, but when Trump says to pull out they complain and say we should stay.

I know opposing anything the rival party says is the norm today, but funny nonetheless.

Brainlet here, but

Why does it matter? Nothing happened during the last two shutdowns, did it?

That's oversimplification. The problem with the Syria decision is that it's poorly thought out and will lead to major issues later.

Dems are largely non-interventionist now, but that's fairly recent. In the 90s, the Blue Dogs and the Washington Consensus added some very strong interventionist elements into the party.

The interesting thing these days is that Americans by and large can agree on one thing: non-interventionism is probably then way to go. That's going to completely alter the way the world works and I don't think we're really prepared for how that's going to turn out.

To which exactly "major issues"?

George Mason, one of the US founding fathers came up with the idea of a council instead of a president, since a multi member council could represent a diverse democracy better. The USA didn't pick up on that but Switzerland did, and our little republic has the most stable Government ever since. From its foundation in 1848 till today the federal council has been in constant operation and in no single election since then the government "changed", only 1-2 members on the council get changed every 4 years. Of course it needs a whole lot of direct democracy to keep them in check, but all in all, thanks George, that's just brilliant.

Shutdowns are inconvenient and cost the economy money in lost productivity. Federal workers are either furloughed (not allowed to work) or have to show up to work anyway and not get paid (although they get compensated once the shutdown is over). It's a bad deal all around and the frequency of shutdowns has made it harder for the government to find employees.

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We had that model under the articles of confederation. It was a disaster and almost destroyed the country. The president isn't really the problem here in any case - this is a congressional issue that's easy to blame on the president. CGPGrey has a good vid on the subject: youtube.com/watch?v=KIbkoop4AYE

What is good for little toy country in mountains not always should work for the largest empire.

Such as your puppet gassing the Kurds

peak comedy
i'm living in a monty python world

Maybe, maybe not. A lot of us are sick of getting involved in conflicts abroad, particularly in the Middle East.

I would think you, knowing your own country's history there, would know that getting involved in the Middle East is a fool's game.

Fake news.

yeah, pretty stupid, but better than voting democrat at least

Most elected dems fully supported getting involved in Syria back in ‘11. It was only Obama that wanted to stay put and look what happened there. He might not be as bad as Trump or Dubya, but he was and still is such a goddamn pussy.

I see
But isn't the inconvenience a bit over-exaggerated if workers get compensated anyway?

Yes, the 3 layered direct democracy bit is tricky, I admit that.
But imho a council is also better suited as a government of a representative democracy, different factions can be included, more stability in the government, less incentives to do a popularity contest and the executive powers are shared and mutually controlled. Most contemporary democracies have a single leader, thats what you get when you La Revolution in a monarchy and end up with an elect "king". It wasn't like that in the democracies of classic Antique, there only in times of war a dictator would be chosen and otherwise a council held the powers.

You don’t earn your rations if your posts are too obvious, comrade.

No, I hate this game

Time is money, especially if you live paycheck to paycheck. A government shutdown means federal workers generally must cut their spending in the short-term, and thus consumption takes a hit. You likely aren't going to make up that consumption even when you do inevitably get paid, so there is an overall loss in economic activity.

Yeah, government jobs used to be known for having the best job security too.

No, because you're not making money during the time you're furlough'd (unless you have other jobs),

So no money for bills or anything like that,

I guess I'm just more used to these kinds of stuff. I used to get paid every 3 months at some point, although it was definitely not sustainable, at all, even if I got all the money at once.

How long do these shutdowns generally last?

The longest one was 26 days back in the 90s. This one will likely last anywhere between 3 days and 2 weeks.