Is it bad that I support and care about Syrian refugees, but I hate the open borders approach to the crisis...

Is it bad that I support and care about Syrian refugees, but I hate the open borders approach to the crisis. I actually supported letting in refugees from Syria and Iraq at first and then the Eu started letting in Afghanis and Pakistanis, it was at this point I felt we had made a mistake, we shouldn’t be letting in people who aren’t in countries at war. Now it seems that any asshole from the Middle East or Africa can be given access to Europe, is bad that this is pissing me off, I heard or excuse from my geography teacher that we need any migrant we can get because our brith rate is declining, even though the migrants are a burden on taxpayers, how do people believe this?, am I a racist for thinking like this?

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>we need any migrant we can get because our brith rate is declining
Has your geography teacher considered for even a second what Europeans would look like in 150-200 years if this idea gets roots and the trend continues in a consistent manner?

They shouldn't have let anybody in. Actual refugees fled to the surrounding countries like Jordan. No "refugee" went to western Europe because of the war but because it was a good opportunity.

Well, taking in refugees per se is not bad.
I live in Bavaria and if the shit really hits the fan I would have 0 problem in taking in Autrian or Czech refugees. Hell, if it got really bad I could even see myself offering a place to some for a limited time.
What IS totally wrong is bringing in "refugees" from thousands of kilometer away that passed 10 save countries on their way to more gibs me dats that totally came to stay. The reason why literally nobody of them is a refugee, but ALL are migrants that just look for a better life which they have no right to. (remember reading that of the millions that we got actually just a hundret or something are actually refugees that Germany has to care for because they for some reason came directly by plane, how ever that worked)

Turkey, Jordan and surrounding countries were safe havens. While I think that the west could and should harbor a continuous fixed percentage of 'actual refugees' I also believe that people that are against refugees because 'muh jobs' are pathetic. You are literally seeing a brown shitskin that

1. Doesnt speak the language
2. Doesnt know the culture
3. Has no social network

As a competitor in the job market. The only legitimate argument of being against is the factual possibility that there could be terrorist cells among refugees and the fact that not all refugees flee from war, but then again that can be migitated by thorough screening and only letting individuals in that are willing to contribute something and are no threat to society.

The 'muh jobs' is real. They will work for far less and under the table

Though lets be fair. You could have not attacked Libya at all.

Ireland should not take in anyone. There are several countries geographically and culturally closer to Syria and Iraq than Ireland that should take care of it.

I don't want any refugees not because they are brown or take my job away but because they simply cost us more than they bring in, simple as that. I could understand taking in a few refugees to help them until the war is over and send them back but in reality they will stay forever and will be a constant strain on our social system.

Fuck off back to l*ddit you niggerloving retard.

Yes, many say that Irish people should accept as many refugees as we can offer benefits because during the famine we fled to Britain, Australia and the Americas, but the Irish weren’t offered welfare there, we had to actually work, it’s a different situation.

Nobody with skilled jobs are afraid of refugees taking their jobs. We care about our bottom of society, which mostly do unskilled labor. Those are the ones who will be kicked out of the job market entirely, because refugees live like rats. Norwegians should not have to sink down to rat level in order to compete. Employers should give them a better offer, and they won't if they can just find cheap refugees. We have a certain standard of living that refugees from these countries have no concept of.

I'm not interested in in dusicssing how EU handle the refugee crisis, but what strike me as odd is how refugees and immigrants keep being used interchangeably.
Refugees go home when things getting better in their homeland, immigrants settle for good.
Also, why do they act like conflict in Syria is/will be permanent?

it's bad that you're asking Jow Forums what you should think

Open borders is a retarded policy no matter what angle you look at it from.
But in all honesty it's the only policy that works

Blatantly wrong.
Most refugees did go to Lebanon or Jordan, but many more millions went through Turkey and such

>bla bla bla hiberians are the enemies of the white man once again bla bla

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>iresubhumanland
>attacked libya
wog intellect at work once more

That's easy to say when your country doesn't share a border with any real shitholes. But consider Spain, Italy and Greece. If Bavaria or Germany had to actually share a border with Syria, you would be thinking very differently, like "there's too many, we can't take them all! Others have to share the burden with us!".

Likewise, if Germany, an extremely wealthy country with world-class infrastructure, can't take refugees because it can't handle the strain on it's system, then how come 3rd world bankrupt shitholes like Turkey and Jordan somehow CAN? They have stronger excuses for rejecting refugees than you do.

>Most refugees did go to Lebanon or Jordan, but many more millions went through Turkey and such
The """refugees""" that continued on after reaching Turkey sure spent an awful lot of energy and time escaping a war and walking aaaaall the way from the Middle East to Northern Europe to reach some country that happens to be rich and generous in welfare, just like the 'poor hungry Hondurans fleeing violence' spent a fucking month walking all the way to your border.
The kraut is right. A large reason Europe has so many refugees of peace is because it was the opportunistic scum of the Earth that entered. The 'good refugees' largely stayed in neighboring countries.

Huebro you do realize that Turkey was basically bribed by the EU to keep the refugees there?
Plus the problem in Germany is the welfare state. It only works if money is put into it by working taxpayers, and Syrians aren't doing so, meaning the handouts will cause more taxation on Germans, or the handout money will run out

>Refugees go home when things getting better in their homeland
xD

The trick is that things NEVER get better, so there's no chance to test if it's true or not.

Like I said "fixed percentage"
Really it's not.. the only low paying jobs here are taxi drivers (need certificate) or working on a farm which is already done by foreigners to begin with.
There are almost no low paying jobs in the netherlands for every job you need to be able to speak the language and have a degree. Under the table is possible but not sustainable the tax authorities and labor union are continuously on your ass

Eh, to be totally fair that's only true for places that are shitholes all the time like Afghanistan, Central America and most of Africa. Or places that are irrevocably ruined like Iraq and Libya
Syria was run without major problems before the war broke out and since Assad isn't dead, the country actually can be rebuilt.

With increasing automation I would argue many low level jobs will be gone

some syrians will go back but at this point it good luck,too many of them escaped
there's like 180k of them in sweden alone or something

This is also a fact. Where I was getting at. Most factories dont have production workers, they have Process and Machine Operators and for all those jobs you need a technical degree and those jobs are actually high paying jobs.

Yeah, as I said above nearly every refugee that went to Europe jumped on the opportunity to get gibs.

>consumer economy
>there are no consumers

Well I think over half of them are not Syrian, they are from Africa and the middle as well

>unironically thinks 50% are syrian
ive always hated anglos but when hear someone from ireland open their mouth i understand why the tried to genocide you

>If people don't stay in the first country they find themselves in, they can't be refugees
Not how it works. Not sure if you think that a person who flees war or a genocide may bot wan to choose a country with higher standards of living than whatever country they find themselves in first or if you think choosing such a country somehow goes against the definition of refugee but either way you're wrong.
I'm not even arguing in favor of refugees, I'm just saying that a refugee is not whatever you want the word to mean.

Well, Vietnamese boat people did go home to rebuilt their country.

>may bot wan
may not want*

I feel the same to these crises and I don't think it is fair that europe gets all the burden. Sure europe relies on the US military to act on their own interests for an entire century. And sure europe is so much closer, but this is a human issue.
I think europe and america should split the duties even though the middle east is brit/french fault. Half of the refugees go to europe and half to america. We get the women and you get the men

not surprising considering the state of indonesia

It takes anyone with a conscience to hate war/conflict/exploitation. It also takes anyone with a brain to hate allowing essentially random people into their country. I don't think it is anything but naivety to allow this shit to coexist

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Not talking about OP
I'm talking about the EU as a whole

the EU doesnt have an army, apeshit

>I think europe and america should split the duties
fuck no, syrian refugees can seek asylum in literally any neighbouring country. there's a reason they are doing it in the west

>you would be thinking very differently, like "there's too many, we can't take them all! Others have to share the burden with us!".
Of course I would.
Doesn't change the fact that they have no right to travel half the world to settle in any cunt that they think is good enough for them.

Coming from a safe country you have no right to claim asylum. Periode.
If that would work I will tomorrow go to Swiss and claim my "rights".

Ok no burden for sweden. The male refugees and children go to countries that carved the middle east then run and hid (britain/france) and the women come here