So /k

>capitalizing "katana" out of reverence

I'm absolutely positive if you walked up to some random fucking normie and asked, "What are the shortcomings of 5.7?"

They'd likely not even know what you were talking about much less know enough to denounce it's viability.

That's why it's just a metaphor

What do you mean by this?
How are they sketchy?

Pros:
>Was on Miami Vice
>60 grain 2400 FPS ammo available
>Can get crazy amounts of energy out of it
>More capacity than .45
>Better penetration than .45
>Bren Ten and Tanfoglio Witness are the best looking guns ever made
>Glock makes a compact 10mm in case you want power comparable to .357 in a gun small enough to fit in your pocket
>10mm glocks can fire .40 S&W if you want to look like a cool 10mm patrician but don't actually want to shoot 10mm
>It's cheaper than .357 sig last I checked

Cons:
>Recoil
>Expensive ammo
>Bren Tens cost as much as a used car
>If you ND you blow your house up

recoil out of a stock Glock 20 is not that bad, it's easily handle able

>compared to .45
far superior
>how common is this ammo
rarer than .357 Sig, and the wide majority of it is grossly underloaded. Most commercial 10mm ammo is just .40 SW ballistically. You have to spend big money or re-load to experience real 10mm
if you want a badass cartridge that is pretty available and isn't too expensive, go .357 Sig.
10mm is worth it if you're a re-loader.

10mm recoil isn't bad. Yeah, it kicks more than the other semi-auto rounds, but it's not scary or difficult to shoot.
The main drawback of 10mm guns, especially 10mm Glocks is the size of the grip. It's fucking massive and difficult to hold comfortably if you don't have giant hands.

I have a bunch of 10mm glock mags, and they're noticeably thicker than all my .40 ones.

The 10mm versions are really new, don't know anyone that has one. 1911 10's have a bad history of being high wear pistols with frame strength issues. The Sig and Ruger models seem to last better than Delta Elites. Your options for non-1911's are kind of slim. The only good poly is still the Glock 20 and 40.

10mm is balistically far superior even to 45 super

10 mm 1911‘s are really big with Old farts but if you’re going to get a 10 mm 1911 is the way to go just because it’s steel and the frame flex under recoil like a Glock

>Steel frame flexing
>Good
Enjoy your cracking

>Is 10mm worth it?
Depends
>Is this a good round?
Yes
>How does it compare to .45?
A tiny bit smaller, a bit lighter. Much more energy and velocity.
>Im tempted, but how common is this ammo
Shitty .40 S&W tier ammo is fairly common. Good ammo is uncommon and expensive.

Ive actually never heard of a steal 10mm frame cracking. I bet you haven’t ether unless it was some yahoo hand loading some crazy shit.

I have shot 10mm out of a 1911 and a glock and can say for certain gen4 glocks have no business shooting full house 10mm ammo.

Then you haven't been looking. I've heard about delta elites, S&Ws, and Witnesses cracking and that's just off of the top of my head.
Why do you say Glocks have no business shooting 10mm?

When you shoot one, with proper 10mm
(Non fbi loads) you can feel the frame flex in your hand, and it’s supe disconcerting. I would never shoot underwood or buffalo bores stuff out of a glock. The 1911 i used had no problems and was also more enjoyable to shoot over all. The fud who owned the gun paid like 6000 dollars for it an I don’t remember the company that made it just that it was a smaller company i had never heard of.

Plastic flexes, it's not really a problem.

Just shoot a 10mm glock if you can rent one. Tell me after that its not a problem.

Glock 29 is same size as the 19. Thicc as fuck.

completly incorrect.

You goobers never even state what the grain of the bullet is, just "muh speedy boi"

So, lets get fair. data is from BBTI out of max length barrel

200gr 45 super: 1459 FPS
200gr 10mm: 1260FPS

the 10mm is .40 while the 45 is..... .45

Tell you hwat there bobby, I'll take the 200gr .45 super. Hey lets shift to a low grain high speed bullet. That last one was the heaviest common 10mm load.

the lightest common .45super is 185gr at a speed of 1585fps

10mm 180gr hits 1573fps. so that is 5 less grain, still slower.

ok. so at 135 grain we hit 1640fps for 10mm.

not on BBTI is the liberty 45 ACP +P 78 Grain, while not at all a 45 super, it still cruises at a brisk 1900FPS

The big fucking takeaway? There is no replacement for displacement. What do you get from 10mm? A really great round that hits a good middle ground between .45 and 9mm and does it fantastically, unlike .40. 10mm is also the parent cartrige of 9×25mm Dillon which fucking annihilates everything. That is the real reason to get a 10mm gun. Which is great. Just like with 40 vs 45, you get a few extra rounds too.

So on the flipside from .45 we have the .460 Rowland, which really only squeeks out an extra 50ish FPS over the .45super/ .450SMC, and requires a different everything. So there once again 10mm wins.

TL/DR: 10mm is pretty boss, its a bit smaller so it will stay supersonic a bit longer, but the .45 is a bit bigger, and will hit things a bit harder. I really dont care much about ballistic aerodynamics and arc as much as I do energy transfer. I want my bullet to transfer as much energy into the first thing it hits/ slows it down as possible. In many scenarios I do not expect to be fighting through car doors, walls, what have you. If I am, I hope I have FMJ. This though, is an area where small speedy bullets are good.

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but lets get real. The gun is gonna be a pistol, not likely a carbine with an 18 inch barrel. Its probably gonna be between 4-6 inches at best. so chop off about 200 FPS on all those numbers. Next, 10mms objective in life is to be very, very fast. .45 super's goal in life is to be as heavy and fast as possible. Both achieve energy transfer in different ways, but are used within the same approximate 5-60 foot range in real world use.

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If you're buying a 1911 in 10mm, you can look forward to 1 of 2 things:

a) shooting a round that's essentially .40 s&w ballistically, but more expensive than it of .45
b)your slide fusing to the frame, or your frame cracking entirely when you fire "full power" 10mm

Just buy a Glock 20.

>t.glockshillmann

Most people don't know that glocks also crack with 10mm, and that 1911's have buffer kits you can buy. replace every 500-1000 rounds. woweee.

glocks have same option as well.

If you are gonna be shooting 10mm, you might as well become a real gun owner and invest in a few improvements.

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Or, and hear me out, you could just ditch 10mm as the failed experiment it was, and carry a sensible caliber. And if you need a powerful pistol round for bears or hunting, just use a revolver that can actually handle the caliber it was built for?

>10mm is the katana of handgun calibers

So it's shittier?

I wish HK made a 10mm. USP in 40 went 20,000 rounds without a parts failure. Even 10K for a 10mm would be great

I'd agree with you that if I had to throw away one baby, it would be 10mm. In general, the .45acp vs .40S&W has carried over to the .45super/450SMC vs 10mm with the same exact conclusions.

As for revolvers. They are good, great even, but I'll go with a doublestack of .45super FMJ for dealing with bears. Also a lasersight on a revolver or auto is mandatory. Fuck brown bears. seriously. They are the pittbull of bears.

I see bear. bear is shoot.

Can you find instances of 10mm glocks breaking? Because if it was really a problem it would be all over the internet. The only glock memes I know of are the early .40 glocks that blew up because they had partially unsupported chambers and the bullet casings could fail which vented the pressure inside the gun and caused them to blow up. And those issues were addressed in later models.

I've never seen proof of glock frames just failing from recoil, but am willing to be corrected.

its a bitch to find pictures, but just like with any gun, and i mean any gun, glock frames are rated for what they were made for. that being said, glocks coverted to handle 10mm can handle a steady diet of it. Glocks can also eat Dillon. (Haha. gay.)