Milsurp vehicles

For some reason Unimogs don't really do it for me. I'd rather get a Ural or Tatra.

>proofs
post timestamp of said vehicle or git out

Would they not already if you're dailying an M577?

Okay fair, I’m not rich or poor either. Leaning closer to poor so my old LR isn’t my commuting vehicle. Due to fuel consumption.

Mechanics isn’t hard when it comes to old vehicles. I knew nothing about mechanics prior to owning it. I’ve learnt as I go and managed to get a lot of work done.

Yeah, that's what it seems like to me. Maintain a Ural or a Kolos doesn't seem like it'd be any different from maintaining a 1960s Landy. It's just a Landy on major steroids, but the only *real* difference is the tire pressure management system.

Otherwise, it sounds about the same as keeping an old diesel pickup running, and any old Jim Bob can do that. This would be a vehicle for keeping at my proverbial cabin in the woods, anyways.

Is it really like a landy on steroids? What’s the engine type? Power/displacement etc?

I’ve got a 2.25L petrol in my 1968 LR. It crawls out of bogs, over rocks, it’s great.
I think you’re right though, get a little light utility at least. Will be good fun and a good toy. However, parts for even the series 1 land rovers from the late 40s early 50s are still newly manufactured. How’s the parts and spares for old slavshit?

These old vehicles anyone with half a break can keep going.

my neighbour owns a leopard 1

very accurate

A deuce and a half or 5-ton has a similar engine/vehicle size ratio, only the vehicle is fuckhuge.

Basically, like the Landy, it's underpowered AF but can go through don't near anything slowly.

Fair, go get one then dude!
They’re great fun. Do it and report back.

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I know a guy with a 5-ton he builds custom cars for a living.

I just need to wait until a year or two once I buy a house. You can get a lot of 'surp truck for under $20k though. My personal goal is pic related:

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Perhaps most famous as the vehicle that George Miller turned into pic related:

By deleting the 2nd axle and building a new carbody over the Tatra central spine. If you watch closely in the movie you can still see the central spine/driveshaft design and the swing-axle all-independent suspension in action. Also, the engine is arguably radder than the twin V-8s was supposed to have in the film, as Tatras traditionally have air-cooled V-engines culminating in a 19 litre V-12 turbodiesel with individual roller bearings on the crankshaft so that it can run for limited time without any oil pressure whatsoever.

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That sounds pretty rad, desu

Holy shit, those Slavs were crazy enough to put an independent suspension on something that big?

What's the difference between deuces like the M35 and 5 tons like the M809 in terms of maintenance, handling, design, ect

>require tons of maintenance.
This, with parts that can be a bitch to find. Often they end up with modifications to use commercial parts.

Was looking at the BRDM-2 on there. Super interested, but it's minimum 15k to bring it over.

Isn't one literally just a 150% scale version of the other?

If you want something relatively cheap and easy to maintain, have you considered a CUCV?

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>6.2 liter 1980s Detroit diesel engine
You better swap a small block in negro

Hi rover friend

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Ive had three a
>M715, wish I never sold it, never went fast, never broke anything drive line wise but switches and other parts, where very hard to get.
>M35s2 slow but, fun, but if anything breaks you need huge tools, crane, 1" drive sockets,
etc, I did end up bobbing it in the end.
>M1078 electrical gremlins for a while once I got it from from govdeals, swapped in MRAP diffs, made it better for moving equipment for work on the highway, still a fuel hog.

If you have time, a huge garage, and like breaking you back go for it.
If your getting it for a zombie, EMP etc vehical
get a vw baja bug, CJ5/7, diesel rabbit, etc.
much less work if something breaks and it will.

That's what I want. Old 80s chevy blazers and surburbans are aesthetically pleasing to me.

Australian Ex-Military?

I want one of these

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Not a car guy, what does it mean having in independent suspension on a truck like that?

>what does it mean having in independent suspension on a truck like that?
A lot of cussing when it breaks.

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How can a truck be so beautiful

Hi.

Series 3. Judging by the windscreen joints it looks like one as opposed to mine which is a 2a after they moved the headlamps to the wings and someone put a series 3 grille on it.

No synchro for life.

Very interesting paint job you’ve got there. Looks super clean and tidy though. Mines a little muddy. British

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Agreed

Im talking kinda out my ass but im a mechanic and usually industrial equpitment just needs to follow stricket tune up regimens

Each wheel is on its iwn axis instead of tied to the one accross

With military surplus vehicles the catch is cheaper the vehicle, faster you need to overhaul it.

The thing with Land Rovers is that those still have spare parts being produced and available pretty much everywhere. It isn't Landy on steroids when it comes to mechanical complexity or spare parts.

It might be bit hard to find spare parts for Ural or Tatra in western hemisphere. One thing great about Unimog is that it is a Mercedes product, that means global supply chain for spare parts. Selecting vehicle based on looks instead of utility is faggotry.

Landy on steroids comment wasn’t me. Yup. Land Rover parts are cheap and plentiful and still being made. I got a brand new water pump for £15... stupidly cheap and it came the next day. That’s why they’re probably the easiest milsurp vehicle to maintain. Though the double skinned military fuel tanks cost twice hay of the normal ones. Hence why I’m trying to repair before I resign to replacing.

I'd rather get one of the Kaiser Jeep pickups if I was going the lame COTS military truck route.

So "no" to the Tatra 813/815 or the Ural?

Also back in the day I saw a beautiful bobbed Deuce for sale for 10k or so. Had a short bed and looked like a giant power wagon. I still kick myself for not getting it as a daily driver.

There are a ton of Urals in Latin America. You often see them as forestry vehicles and contractor trucks. I'd imagine getting parts for one might be easier than you'd think.

As for the Kolos, yeah, that sounds like it'd get real expensive real fast.

Sorry, mixed your comment with bit uneducated reply to it.

Generally there is a reason why Land Rovers, G-wagens, Pinzgauers, Unimogs and Volvo C-202/303/306's are just as expensive as much heavier military surplus trucks, if not more expensive. Those are generally much more utilitarian and easier to maintain, mostly due to sharing a lot of components with civilian cars. Things like engines. Newer Pinzgauers mostly use Volvo/VW 2.4 liter diesels. Same engine that is found on fuck ton of Volvos and VW's from 80's to late 90's. Remove couple cylinders and you have nice 1.6l 4-cylinder engine for diesel Golfs or Passats. Older ones have air cooled gasoline engine specifically developed for it, double oil pumps and bunch of other weirdness. C-202/303/306 use same old B-series gasoline engines as their regular civilian cars had from early 60's to 80's.

Kolos might cost you around 10k. Overhauling it might cost between 5k and 10k, more if something major needs to be replaced. When it comes to running costs, 17 liter V12 burns 40 something liters per 100km. That is in 5 to 6 miles per gallon.

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The catch is that these old vehicles haven't been used or maintained in fir a long time. The parts aren't made anymore.

I, personally, would love to have a WWII GMC deuce-and-a-half or a Dodge WC series truck.

But the first thing I'd do is replace the engine, tranny, and electrical system to something more modern.

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>Army K5 Blazer
Fuck yeah. It's basically a squarebody (73-87) pickup. Literally everything you need that can be screwed or glued to that truck is available out of a Summit or Jegs catalog or aamong numerous truck specialty shops.

Also, what said. Just drop in a 350 crate engine and save the hassle from a crappy 80s diesel.

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You're an inbecile of you think you need to absolutely junk everything off the truck

not everything.just some of the critically-important drive components

Eastern Bloc military trucks are pure sex.

>Kolos might cost you around 10k. Overhauling it might cost between 5k and 10k, more if something major needs to be replaced. When it comes to running costs, 17 liter V12 burns 40 something liters per 100km. That is in 5 to 6 miles per gallon.

I fly cessnas right now so that doesn't actually sound *that* expensive. Hell, the fuel consumption is only twice what a Powerstroke or Durmax pick-up burns.

I want to get an 8x8 815 quad-cab and keep it as a weekend toy and possibly build an expedition RV out of it. Am I crazy?

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>I fly cessnas right now so that doesn't actually sound *that* expensive.
I'm making a guess that you will rent that Cessna and maybe refuel it, with maintenance done paid by someone else.

>I want to get an 8x8 815 quad-cab and keep it as a weekend toy and possibly build an expedition RV out of it. Am I crazy?
Expedition RV's usually cost a fuck ton, due to being built lot heavier than normal RV's and being hand made by small companies. Normal RV stuff tend to get fucked up by all kinds of shaking and loads they might have to endure in off road driving. New trucks usually aren't cheap. Using 8x8 chassis for shits and giggles would be crazy. 4x4 2.5t or 6x6 5t trucks would be far more sensible platforms for variety of reasons. In 'murrica probably most common sense selection would be FMTV variant of some sort, plenty of different variants with M1070 or M1080 something designations.

Generally extra anything adds complexity and cost, how much benefit some stuff gives is subjective. When compared with 4x4. Milsurp 8x8 would immediately have extra axle with steering in front of vehicle. It is there to spread load on road a bit and steering is there keep turning radius not much worse than 4x4 or 6x6 would have. When it rear extra axles in rear the spreading load why those are there. Obvious drawback is more friction in drive train and more friction from wheels, last one is a good thing for off roading, but drives fuel consumption up on road. Civilian 6x4 or 8x4 often can raise rear most axle from road, that meant to reduce fuel consumption when driven without load.

If you really want 8x8, US HEMMT would be better alternative, but if you really have to go full retard on amount of axles, fuel consumption and mechanical complexity, go for USMC Mk48 with mk16 trailer. It adds hydraulically actuated articulation between tractor and trailer to give it smaller turning radius than HEMMT that is needed on ships and docks.

No you don't.
In addition to parts being unobtanium, you have to deal with retarded military logic as well.

Virtually only common civilian use for new built military all terrain 8x8 truck chassis are airport fire trucks. Those don't really need all terrain mobility, but all weather mobility. Lawns around runways and taxiways could get soft and muddy due to rain or get plenty of snow during winter.

One thing you need to understand with military surplus is that those are usually stored under sky somewhere. Mileage might be low, but truck may have been under elements for years. Lots of temperature changes, rain and shit will on long term fuck up anything. There are plenty of rubber gaskets and covers that might get brittle over time. Same applies to other rubber stuff like pneumatic lines and electric wiring.

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Yeah, I recognize all the shitty piping/gasket stuff, but I honestly enjoy replacing that stuff from my old 80s car days, and most military trucks are less mechanically complex than even an 80s car. I just want an 8x8 because why not, and a Kolos doesn't seem *too* gigantic all things considered, especially compared to a fucking HEMTT.

I own and near daily drive a full size M35A2. In reality they aren't that big. There are regular deisel pickups around the same size. Biggest issue is its still pretty big to really get in and out of most places comfortably, No power steering means unless i'm moving i cannot steer, so i need some space to get it going to turn at all. Parts are readily available for the most part but shipping such big items is costly and actually installing them without a shop is the biggest pain. Fuel consumption is horrid. While the multi fuel engine can cut my costs by allowing me to cut my fuel with used oil. roughly a 80% oil to 20% deisel ratio. Obtaining decent amounts of oil is a task even when free. you need to filter it first. Even the crudest filtration system will require an oil drum or multiple buckets. Not to mention storing filtered oils and a system to mix it with the fuel or get it in the tank at all. TLDR mulitfuel capability requires space and time. This being said i enjoy mine but only actually bought one because i have the space now that i'm living on a military installation again and the place is pretty well set up for their use anyway.

Forgot to mention Deuces are fucking slow as shit. Newer 5 tons can hit 70 but a deuce is pretty much locked at 55 redlining. It takes minute to get going from a stop. You can get better fuel consumption and speed if you go through the trouble of disconnecting the dive shaft connecting the rear axles and only one. But its not a while lot quicker. They are not at all decent distance vehicles like an RV.

There isn't huge size difference between T813 or T815 8x8 and HEMTT. HEMTT looks bit longer due cab being in front of engine, instead of top of engine, but look at wheels and how much distance there is between front pair of axles and rear axle pair. HEMTT uses engine from family that is also used by bunch of civilian trucks that are common in US. Same goes with FMTV's.

It is common fucking sense to pick a truck you can keep running and that has engine, gear box and axles that are well known where you live and use that thing. That alone makes keeping the thing running much easier and cheaper. Extra axle is extra maintenance. Complexity is always your enemy, even when it comes to older milsurp trucks form era when tires sucked, double tires on rear axles, pointless extra hassle when you change tire. To make old M35 or similar truck easier to run, usually first thing people will replace is rear wheels with modern ones.

Do you really need 8x8 for reason other than looking cool and being hipster? Military 8x8's are usually rated for around 10 tons on bed and pulling maybe 20 to 30 tons. Extra axles in general are useless junk that can break and cause you trouble if you really don't need 'em for load. Extra steerable axle is a bigger problem. Add independent suspension to it... even bigger problem. 4x4 or 6x6 is by default better for civilian users.

Kolos < FMTV
FMTV < Unimog applies in places where Unimogs aren't unicorns.

Multifuel capability in military trucks is really meant for using jet fuel as alternative for diesel, but you can run 'em with waste oil. Most will run on vegetable oil just as well, but water concentration fuel may become issue, that may cause corrosion and other shit to engine on long run.

Fuel tanks on military trucks can be pretty small, those vehicles are designed to be used in convoys that usually contain tanker trucks.

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