You're an inbecile of you think you need to absolutely junk everything off the truck
Milsurp vehicles
Liam Sanders
Parker Williams
not everything.just some of the critically-important drive components
Leo Hughes
Eastern Bloc military trucks are pure sex.
>Kolos might cost you around 10k. Overhauling it might cost between 5k and 10k, more if something major needs to be replaced. When it comes to running costs, 17 liter V12 burns 40 something liters per 100km. That is in 5 to 6 miles per gallon.
I fly cessnas right now so that doesn't actually sound *that* expensive. Hell, the fuel consumption is only twice what a Powerstroke or Durmax pick-up burns.
I want to get an 8x8 815 quad-cab and keep it as a weekend toy and possibly build an expedition RV out of it. Am I crazy?
Hunter Cooper
>I fly cessnas right now so that doesn't actually sound *that* expensive.
I'm making a guess that you will rent that Cessna and maybe refuel it, with maintenance done paid by someone else.
>I want to get an 8x8 815 quad-cab and keep it as a weekend toy and possibly build an expedition RV out of it. Am I crazy?
Expedition RV's usually cost a fuck ton, due to being built lot heavier than normal RV's and being hand made by small companies. Normal RV stuff tend to get fucked up by all kinds of shaking and loads they might have to endure in off road driving. New trucks usually aren't cheap. Using 8x8 chassis for shits and giggles would be crazy. 4x4 2.5t or 6x6 5t trucks would be far more sensible platforms for variety of reasons. In 'murrica probably most common sense selection would be FMTV variant of some sort, plenty of different variants with M1070 or M1080 something designations.
Generally extra anything adds complexity and cost, how much benefit some stuff gives is subjective. When compared with 4x4. Milsurp 8x8 would immediately have extra axle with steering in front of vehicle. It is there to spread load on road a bit and steering is there keep turning radius not much worse than 4x4 or 6x6 would have. When it rear extra axles in rear the spreading load why those are there. Obvious drawback is more friction in drive train and more friction from wheels, last one is a good thing for off roading, but drives fuel consumption up on road. Civilian 6x4 or 8x4 often can raise rear most axle from road, that meant to reduce fuel consumption when driven without load.
If you really want 8x8, US HEMMT would be better alternative, but if you really have to go full retard on amount of axles, fuel consumption and mechanical complexity, go for USMC Mk48 with mk16 trailer. It adds hydraulically actuated articulation between tractor and trailer to give it smaller turning radius than HEMMT that is needed on ships and docks.
Xavier Brown
No you don't.
In addition to parts being unobtanium, you have to deal with retarded military logic as well.
Blake Phillips
Virtually only common civilian use for new built military all terrain 8x8 truck chassis are airport fire trucks. Those don't really need all terrain mobility, but all weather mobility. Lawns around runways and taxiways could get soft and muddy due to rain or get plenty of snow during winter.
One thing you need to understand with military surplus is that those are usually stored under sky somewhere. Mileage might be low, but truck may have been under elements for years. Lots of temperature changes, rain and shit will on long term fuck up anything. There are plenty of rubber gaskets and covers that might get brittle over time. Same applies to other rubber stuff like pneumatic lines and electric wiring.
Kayden Russell
Yeah, I recognize all the shitty piping/gasket stuff, but I honestly enjoy replacing that stuff from my old 80s car days, and most military trucks are less mechanically complex than even an 80s car. I just want an 8x8 because why not, and a Kolos doesn't seem *too* gigantic all things considered, especially compared to a fucking HEMTT.
Nicholas Wilson
I own and near daily drive a full size M35A2. In reality they aren't that big. There are regular deisel pickups around the same size. Biggest issue is its still pretty big to really get in and out of most places comfortably, No power steering means unless i'm moving i cannot steer, so i need some space to get it going to turn at all. Parts are readily available for the most part but shipping such big items is costly and actually installing them without a shop is the biggest pain. Fuel consumption is horrid. While the multi fuel engine can cut my costs by allowing me to cut my fuel with used oil. roughly a 80% oil to 20% deisel ratio. Obtaining decent amounts of oil is a task even when free. you need to filter it first. Even the crudest filtration system will require an oil drum or multiple buckets. Not to mention storing filtered oils and a system to mix it with the fuel or get it in the tank at all. TLDR mulitfuel capability requires space and time. This being said i enjoy mine but only actually bought one because i have the space now that i'm living on a military installation again and the place is pretty well set up for their use anyway.
Cooper Parker
Forgot to mention Deuces are fucking slow as shit. Newer 5 tons can hit 70 but a deuce is pretty much locked at 55 redlining. It takes minute to get going from a stop. You can get better fuel consumption and speed if you go through the trouble of disconnecting the dive shaft connecting the rear axles and only one. But its not a while lot quicker. They are not at all decent distance vehicles like an RV.
Ryan Wilson
There isn't huge size difference between T813 or T815 8x8 and HEMTT. HEMTT looks bit longer due cab being in front of engine, instead of top of engine, but look at wheels and how much distance there is between front pair of axles and rear axle pair. HEMTT uses engine from family that is also used by bunch of civilian trucks that are common in US. Same goes with FMTV's.
It is common fucking sense to pick a truck you can keep running and that has engine, gear box and axles that are well known where you live and use that thing. That alone makes keeping the thing running much easier and cheaper. Extra axle is extra maintenance. Complexity is always your enemy, even when it comes to older milsurp trucks form era when tires sucked, double tires on rear axles, pointless extra hassle when you change tire. To make old M35 or similar truck easier to run, usually first thing people will replace is rear wheels with modern ones.
Do you really need 8x8 for reason other than looking cool and being hipster? Military 8x8's are usually rated for around 10 tons on bed and pulling maybe 20 to 30 tons. Extra axles in general are useless junk that can break and cause you trouble if you really don't need 'em for load. Extra steerable axle is a bigger problem. Add independent suspension to it... even bigger problem. 4x4 or 6x6 is by default better for civilian users.
Kolos < FMTV
FMTV < Unimog applies in places where Unimogs aren't unicorns.
Multifuel capability in military trucks is really meant for using jet fuel as alternative for diesel, but you can run 'em with waste oil. Most will run on vegetable oil just as well, but water concentration fuel may become issue, that may cause corrosion and other shit to engine on long run.
Fuel tanks on military trucks can be pretty small, those vehicles are designed to be used in convoys that usually contain tanker trucks.