US Army Requests a New Submachine Gun

This is likely the start of a bunch of trials. This is basically an invitation to show off any select fire 9mm subgun. The army doesn't know what it wants, it's just looking.

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I'll +1 this. I had a unit bro that came from ADA in the 82nd Airborne and was a AN/TWQ-1 Avenger operator. He told me years ago that they bucked for the turrent operator to have a MP5 since a M16 family rifle wouldn't fit in the turrent.

Also this, its an invitation for producers to present their wears.

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durrhurr

why not just buy a glock fucking 18 then

or use a fucking sbr

Just get the MPX.

Military Police SRTs and PSDs use smgs. Ive talked with sone soldiers in my company who have been to those schools, they said you do an ass ton of shooting with MP5s

what's wrong with the MP5 they already use?

I get why smaller militaries buy the MP7 now, but that would put an uneccessary strain on the logistics for such a large power as the US. Don't need to add yet another caliber as a standard.

hot lead is never obsolete

>the MP5 they already use
My understanding is that the US Army hasn't adopted and type classified an SMG properly since the M3. They may have some in inventory for certain purposes but they don't have an official 'this is the US Army's standard issue SMG'.

h'what the fuck, just fuck off OP

your shilling is not needed

Which is why some suspect that this request for an SMG is aimed towards machinepistols or a very compact collapsible SMG, the OP being an example of the former. If for whatever reason a specialist doesn't have room for even a carbine, he could carry one of these and have more options than just an stockless semi-auto pistol.

>Stocked pistols, potentially select-fire
We 1920's tacticool now.

why not 10mm submachine guns?

Do people SERIOUSLY not realize that this is yet another MIC welfare scam? As if they would ever adopt a new SMG when short barrel m4s already exist.

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An excellent rhetorical question in general.

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This or have B&T make a modern American 180

You're welcome US government. I just saved you a bunch of time and money. For payment just give me $80 and a ride to Adelita Bar.

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why not .50 AE subguns?

>AR is super adaptable, from .22 to .50 BMG!
>.mil still only uses it for grunts

I don't understand why they don't use modified high caliber ARs for Markman rifles, little snubnose PCC ARs for SMGs, etc

Why not .50 beowulf? It kinda looks like a pistol round if you squint.

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The USW is not a submachine gun, it isn't select fire.

because the military doesnt have hundreds of thousands of rounds of 10mm stocked

10mm hi point auto carbine NOW!

>Don't need to add yet another caliber as a standard.

yah, 9mm would be "another caliber".
sub machine gun means it fires pistol ammo.
Do you think 9mm for a pistol is different than 9mm fired out of a sub machine gun? You should be a writer for CNN.

This is 10mm

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youtu.be/TAOKhLi8xj4

/evaluation process over

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The military has a lot more than hundreds of thousands of rounds stocked

They can change that at the drop of a hat. Certainly faster than any of these Navy and Chairforce projects because its just ammo.

So since it said "submachine gun" I'm going to assume it fires a pistol caliber, but why a subgun and not a PDW that fires proprietary rounds?

it actually is different 9mm to my understanding... Sub gun ammo tends to be +p+ I could be mistaken.

Last time they pulled this shit they were delivered a weapon that every fucking qualification they requested and held 50 god-damned rounds...

And then they promptly didn't use the fucking thing. Pic related.

So yeah, I'm sure these dumbfucks won't completely blow taxpayer money on more stupid trials or anything...

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Probably a fucking shit sig product or HK.

I would say the opposite. Hitting a head sized target at short range is way easier to learn then using a rifle at different ranges

>capacity

>Army wants a 7.62 rifle to replace the M16
>Army wants a submachine gun to replace M4 Carbine
DAE remember watching documentaries on how the military shifted away from .30 cal because most combat supposedly took place within 400m and shifted away from submachineguns because carbine length rifles fulfilled that role with more firepower?

The only reason the p90 and 5.7mm didn't become nato standard was german asshurt over their mp7 not being picked.

I second this motion. 10mm in the hands of every man, woman, and child

they are, but fleecing retarded amounts of tax money for the sake of fleecing tax money is never obsolete

That's a sig mpx....9mm

What's wrong with just issuing more m4s?

you aim for the center of mass not the head

The Germans seem to get booty blasted very easily, and hold that grudge for awhile.

Tbh, they may as well pull a Darwoo or an HK on this.
>Make a really really smol SBR AR(Like the HK53 or the Daewoo K1A1)
>in 5.56
>give it an A1 flip sight
>call it an smg
>????
>profit
Boom, logistic problems solved

Pfft, if you made being ass blasted an international olympic sport, Germany would hold the record of being #1 for eons to come

>This will be like the other small arms trials of late-a whole lot of time, money and effort just to say the status quo was OK all along.
The purpose of these "trials" is to funnel money to private industry. Nothing more.

That's not the reason. They wanted to sling more rounds down range so they wanted low recoil, automatic, and potential for higher capacity. Nowadays days were still using semi-auto more than anything else and the doctrine and training for .308 exists. I suppose they are thinking a squad of .308s is almost as good. I think they should look at something in the middle.

*melts*

a) if you live in a country that doesn't allow you to easily acquire one, I'm sorry, user.
b) if you live in one of the few that do, go down to your LGS and look at the .22 rifles or pistols, depending on age and what strikes your fancy.

What if you need to hit a guy at 100 yards, and you only have a pistol?

>I think they should look at something in the middle.
Isn't that what all this talk about 6.5 Creedmore is about?

Creedmoor is a full power round. There are various 6mm-range cartridges that have been developed since forever to bridge the gap.

Peanuts compared to endless wars over sand

Ach, it's just the usual combination of political election funding and contracts pushing. They'll copy something German, manufacture it in Missouri and call it 'The Trumper'. Everyone except the soldiers and the taxpayers will be happy and nobody cares about either.

>According to The Firearm Blog, the U.S. Army has posted a Request for Information from the defense industry for a new submachine gun. The RFI is for a Sub Compact Weapon (SCW) that will fire 9x19-millimeter (9mm Luger) ammunition, have full automatic capability, a Picatinny rail for attaching lights, optics, and other accessories, and mentions the capability to mount a suppressor
>small and compact
>Full auto capability
>pic rail
>threaded barrel to mount a suppressor
>in 9mm
>adjustable folding stock
>bonus: electric rate reducer (from 1.4K rpm reduced to 450 rpm)
>selective fire capability (semi auto, full auto, 3 round burst or 2 round burst in some FCGs)
>screw on extended barrels of 6", 10", 12" and 14" (OG barrel length is 4")
>can fit a bipod on extended barrels
>longer length extended barrels can be fitted with a shroud
>Bong military and SF tried it, found it as a promising design
>Parker Hale faced financial troubles and were shut down as a result
>IDW discontinued
Bring her back, she's a great modular design and deserves a second chance

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youtube.com/watch?v=SIYK5mUOU8k

You are. That is the exception, not the rule.

Pick up a .22 plinker user, they’re fun

Ok you got me there, b-but my point still stands

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>barrel length shorter than my dick
No thanks.
In the grip magazine or bullpup. Anything else is a waste of time, might as well just cut even more barrel off a Rattler and call it an SMG.

MP-7 uses a special snowflake round. 4.7mm if I recall. Does not use 9mm pb.

Get a load of this goy

embassy marines or some other security detail

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I can see these, but the ruskies have made good use of the Krink, and I don't see why we could just build something similar.

>this fucking abomination

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I like this. Too bad we won't be able to buy it because lolNFA.

Helo crew would for sure want a subgun over a fucking M4.

Just get P90s, bruh

I held one of those and it felt nice, but the aesthetic gave me the if-glock-made-an-mp5 vibe.
And it's B&T prices, so...

lmao just buy p90

boomerfud tier leadership who dont know sbrs exist yes

>if-glock-made-an-mp5
You say that like it's a bad thing

Military 9mm nato loads are usually already around a +p I believe

>tfw I have an idea for an smg, but have no means to produce it
Feels bad

Lol this guy can’t hit a man sized target at 100 yards with a handgun

Nice 00's meme, fellow time traveler!

UMP in 10mm.

Make an M3 chambered in 9mm.
There ya go.

Both the MP9 and CBJ-MS can feed 9mm and the proprietary 6.5x25 with only a barrel swap. I think these are easy shoe-ins if the requisition goes through all the way. If you can afford the tungsten and reaaaally don't want to carry around an M4 (such as in an aircraft cockpit), then one of these things in 6.5 would be a fantastic alternative.

Or just take another look at the P90 or MP7. You know. Better late than never to try again and make a PDW cartridge NATO standard, right?

>Army issues an RFI
>explicitly states it is not a solicitation
>OMG GUISE THE ARMY IS BUYING A NEW SMG!!!

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>turrent

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>electric rate reducer (from 1.4K rpm reduced to 450 rpm)
electric?
can someone elaborate on what this would be?
how would it work?

Fuckin electro magnets, how do they work?

There's already M3 chambered in 9mm, and its still a shit gun

>Army wants a 7.62 rifle to replace the M16
>Army wants a submachine gun to replace M4 Carbine

Neither of these are correct.

gubment wants a submachine gun for pogs that they will never ever use
>the civilian market PCC's are all 2k$ foreign overpriced plastic
thank god for the ruger pcc but I want more options.

Because only SF have ever used those, SOCOM does most of it's small arms procurement through Navy. Navy doesn't get too autistic when it comes to getting tiny batches of unique snowflake caliber guns and ammo.

Ammunition isn't available in large quantities in existing stockpiles.

>because the military doesnt have hundreds of thousands of rounds of 10mm stocked
I suspect they might be looking for some tens of thousands of guns, maybe even hundred thousand guns on long run. Amount of rounds will be count millions or billions if they adopt something in large scale.

>They can change that at the drop of a hat.
No, they can't. Replacing ammunition stocks of entire army is bit more expensive and takes years.

Because adopting a new caliber to military supply chain on large scale is expensive as fuck.

Picture kinda related. This something Magpul designed a decade ago, marketed for few years, but couldn't get a major gun manufacturer to license it and to pay for final R&D. Their marketing propaganda was pretty hilarious, but unfortunately true. Basically 5.56mm from very short barrel is worse than unique snowflake caliber PDW's at pretty much any range, but existing magazines and ammunition would save millions or billion in procurement.

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>Germany
Not russians or Chinese.

>Not realizing 9-mike-mike has two different NATO standard loadings
>One designed for handguns
>One at much higher pressure for SMGs
>Not knowing several older handgun models come with a warning specifically not to use SMG loads as they will over pressure the gun
>Hurr Durr standard hardball and 147 grain +p+ are literally the same thing faggots

Youu should try them both, and decide the difference for yourself
For science

Just pop a folder on a full auto 5.7

You clearly don't know many germans

Logistics are the US Mil strong point and these trials directly benefit industry and often civilian options down the road. I don't give a shit about military spending any more and the mil only has to pay for bodies doing the testing anyway. Everything else is up to the companies that want to sell their design and even they know they aren't going to be selling shit. Trials are just bigass expos