HOW THE FUCK IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE?!?

Altered mental status. A normal person know’s they’re getting shot, and many times collapse at that thought before succumbing to their wounds.

An animal, or a person on drugs won’t perceive it, hence why you see deer with big gaping holes through and through from a large rifle round or shotgun slug running hundreds of yards before dying, or a person like the man in the video, high out of their mind taking multiple rounds whilst still fighting.

I'm willing to bet most of those shots were misses.

Pain is usually the biggest culprit. Pain is basically your body’s alarm system to alert the brain that something is or about to deal bad damage to the body. You can technically still “walk” with two broken leg bones, your muscles are still working and your leg mass can support you somewhat, but your nerves are screaming at that point to cut that shit out before you do further damage.
The real way to turn off the whole system is to sever the brain to the rest of the body. Otherwise, a person on heavy drugs, have mental problems, are determined as fuck, will keep working until the brain itself goes off.

Krokodil is one hell of a drug.

Also good old russian screen capture tech at work, on spot live commentary. 8/8

Lol9mm

9x18 most likely

Fucking ruskies

Not even impressive. Theres videos out there of PCP'd out guys literally walking through a wall of lead, getting shot to the ground, and then continuing to try to raise their gun up to return fire while being continually filled in by half a dozen shooters. Threadly reminder, severing the brain from the body is the only sure means of immediate incapacitation, severing the heart from the aorta will result in sure incapacitation in about 5s, breaking a weight bearing bone MAY disable that limb, anything short of that is just asking somebody who may not be able to feel pain to stop.

You're starting in the wrong place. Instead of asking how a person could keep functioning when wounded, ask why a human would physically have to stop functioning. There are very few structures in the human body actually necessary for keeping going in the 10-20 second time span, and almost all of those are small, deeply seated, and surrounded by heavy bone. If somebody really doesn't want to stop, putting more holes in their liver, lungs, guts, and limbs arent going to change that.

This is why I want a shotgun.

Russian cops are getting cameras? Holy shit, intense content incoming.

At that range, slugs would be preferred.

So is he missing a lot or is this another case of expansion > penetration?

>9x18 Mak
Not even once

physics and anatomy? this phenomenon is quite common desu.

post now

i don't even think it's necessarily down to someone having crazy willpower or anything. it's just the combination of chemicals in your brain at that point and probably your basic genetic makeup. say what you will about kekus luttrell, but in the actual book he recounts how one of his buddies had his head literally blown apart, brain visible, and was still something approaching conscious and engaging the enemy. the human body is weird as fuck, but for every instance like that one SEAL and in pic related, there are 10 more where the guy gets shot and immediately collapses.

senpai bruh dawg faggot

I've wrestled a methhead who had a broken humerous. It was me and two cops holding this guy down and he was basically doing pushups with us on his back, even though his arm was folding. Drugs make people almost unstoppable. That's why CNS/Heart/Aorta Hits are crucial. Your brain can rarely sustain consciousness with the blood loss from a heart/central artery shot for longer than a few seconds.

Saved for webms

>gets shot in the leggs
>he must not have internal organs
dumb fuck

Probably, do they even get hollow points there, would it make a difference with 9x18?

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Please listen to the following starting @ 00:09:28

youtube.com/watch?v=Yd3v_fssabI

>23yr old, 5'7" 143lbs knife wielding perp
>6 shots of .45LC Silvertip HP into the chest at contact distance
>5 rounds of 158gr +P LSWCHP 38spl from a j frame into the center of the back at contact distance
>2 rounds of 44mag 240gp LSJFP in upper torso from 15 feet
>1 round of 44mag in the thigh
>1 round of 44mag to the knee(this shot ended the fight as attacker loses mobility)

>BAC of .05
>no drugs in system

>attacker lived for 10 more days

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There's some pretty nice hollowpoints available for 9mm makarov, atleast in the states. No idea what's available in russia.

Looks like he got hit once or twice off screen and the rest of those shots missed him

This. With buckshot, you don't even have to aim.

At that range, yes you do have to aim. Spread varies, but at 7 yards with an 18" barrel, it's only going to be 2-6".

Wrong. Shotguns shoot multiple ammos that spread super fast. The downside is they don't do much damage past 20 feet or so.

This post. Cut the CNS or aorta. Otherwise, the guy still gets a vote whether he gets to try and kill you.

>20ft

Howaboutno.jpg
Try 100yd or so

I'll shoot multiple loads down your throat you stupid bastard

Too much krokodil.

It's not the velocity, 9x18mm is pretty slow but has a steel core. Some republics mandate one or more rounds in a mag be plastic loaded hot enough to cycle. These were local cops not federal (aka spetznaz who are deadly).

Found the noguns...

It's 2019. People should know how to screencap things.

It is much easier to just film the screen compared to setting up screen capture and uploading it on a PD or work computer. That is why all security footage is filmed like this

Since it looks like cop stuff, they might not be supposed to be recording this. Probably the only option they had.

I recall reading that the US adopted the 1911 because they found their previous side-arms too weak to stop natives in the Philippines. They would get shot, not realize that meant they were supposed to fall down, and keep fighting for sometimes several minutes.

>be shot in non-vital areas
>WHY WONT HE DIE?

>they might not be supposed to be recording this
And yet we can see their reflections plain as day.

Good point I recognize igor and vlad, well we call him sgt poopy, because, ha! Well you know the story!

This. Also, pretty sure they weren’t going down because they were on cocaine or some such drug

Hey Donut! Here's a good vid on why cops mag-dump.

Bring back headshot training. No matter how drugged up you are, you are going down from a few shots to the head. Center mass is too unreliable. For any state-side anons that want to ascend, go to your outdoor range on a windy day with some head sized balloons. Tie them to a few 3 pound weights or whatever you have about 10 yards away. Try to hit them. Even if you wouldn't aim for the head in a self-defense situation, it's still a great way to train hitting small targets that are moving unpredictably.

Told yo niggas.

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>severing the heart from the aorta will result in sure incapacitation in about 5s
Not it won't. There's been cases of people being shot in the heart and both lungs and still kept going, like the shoot out that involved Sergeant Timothy Gramin. He shot the guy in the heart, both lungs, liver, the report said 14 of the shots were Fatal, what stopped him was when Tim shot him three times in the face from 4 feet away. Look at the Hollywood shooters, both guys took over 40 rounds each (I mean actual penetrating rounds, not shit that armor stopped) they kept fighting for what, an hour?

youtu.be/pFae6z6TGok

Pussy cops shooting suspect's legs, that why they miss too much. Too scared to make a kill shot, cops (and citizens who self defense) strongly intimidated by the govts who will put you in a jail if you'll kill a person, even if your life in a danger. Retarded rudiment of soviet era.

Hollow point banned in russia, but I'm not sure.

go fuck yourself, scrub

brassfetcher.com/Shotguns/images/Maximum Effective Range.png

That shit is fucking insane.

>nothing short of a CNS hit can immedietaly stop someone who is determined enough to push thorugh the pain and fear caused by getting shot
What else is new?

I feel like every pellet of buckshot would connect at that range right? Wouldn't that be more effective than a slug?

I’M THE JUGGERNAUT, BITCH!!!

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Pffft... I'm not clicking that!

Could you mix whatever's in dragon's breath with regular buckshot, so you could set someone on fire internally?

Yeah instead of shoot twice and see how he reacts then shoot some more. It's like the OP cop wanted to use "just enough" lethal force.

You just linked an image

On an imageboard

>don’t shoot him in head
>don’t shoot him in pelvic bone
Retards

You are confusing and parroting multiple talking points you fucking tool, shut the fuck up.

What if the guy was hit by a shotgun slug?

more like
>pistol rounds
>not even once
Observe the difference here. And that(7.62 real fuckin NATO) isn't even a very good rifle round when it comes to terminal ballistics

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How many fucking times do we need to have this conversation. Pistol rounds are stop gaps to get you to your rifle. If you intend to kill someone. Use a gawd damn rifle. Enough with the +p memes. The human body was built to survive. 1 min is plenty enough time for that suspect to stab you to death.
Use a shotgun for HD or a AR15 in nothing shorter then 10.5 or .300 blkout in 9.5 inches. Or 7.62.
"Hollowpoints"

The reason why we train with center mass is to minimize friendly civilian fire.
And yes, cops shooting civilians is common. Thats why they switched to hollow points. Because ball zips right through tissue. And hard headed motherfuckers on this website cant figure that out. Use hollowpoints!

*bystanders.
Sorry. Been drinking

>.300 blkout
I, too, like 45acp ballistics

Somewhat accurate, they mandated that all future service handguns fire a bullet with diameter of at least .45. There was a revolver chambered in .45 LC prior to the 1911 being adopted, the 1911 was just designed with the .45 mandate in mind.

THE ONLY WAY TO ENSURE AN KILL OR INSTANT INCAPACITATION IS TO HIT THE HEART, BRAIN, OR SPINAL CORD.

This right here is one of the most famous shootouts in US law enforcement for that very reason. One perpetrator was shot 12 times before he finally died, including the pictured shot that punctured a lung and stopped shortly before it reached his heart. Despite his grievous wounds, he continued to fight and killed two federal agents before his own death.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

>Toxicology tests showed that the abilities of Platt and Matix to fight through multiple traumatic gunshot wounds and continue to battle and attempt to escape were not achieved through any chemical means. Both of their bodies were drug-free at the time of their deaths

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>Taking the obvious bait
Y?

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Even then, be prepared to shoot a motherfucker that needs shoot several fucking times, even with a "real" caliber (meaning 12 gauge or 7.62NATO). Unless you hit the brain box (and destroy it) or destroy vital support structures (pelvic girdle, long bones) they can and will keep fighting, even if you hit (and destroy) the Heart or Lungs its going to take a minute or so before pressure drops enough to render them combat ineffective.

If you destroy vital support structures it just makes it harder to keep fighting, pelvic girdle for instance means they won't be upright or walking/running and will be losing BP rapidly, but the arms/hands still work (and they can return fire theoretically).

But, OTOH you could blow a pinky off them and they could lay down and die (I'm being somewhat facetious, but not really). People and animals do weird shit when shot.

gopniks are terrifying. seriously how can you take that many hits from a 9x18 without running out of blood?

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Aorta isn't going to be instant either. But the insane bp drop means you don't have long.

After watching a ton of webms of this sort of thing, reading a lot and learning a little physics I've come to the conclusion that there are several levels of terminal effect from gunfire.

Physical:
The first and foremost is physical. IF struck in the conscious area of the brain by gunfire, or at any point down a line that contains the spine all the way to the throat then we can expect the person to be immediately disabled. This is probably why special forces train to shoot the "T" - which is a line which goes across the brows of a person down the base of their adam's apple.
BUT, and this a BIG BUT: Gunshots to almost everywhere else are, to all intents and purposes NOT going to PHYSICALLY stop someone if we are interested . A shotgun blast that has spread out optimally may strip all the muscle from a shooter's firing arm. Maybe. If it hits right. But practically everything will leave you alive long enough to do some killing - and people who are really UP for some killing can and will return gunfire. Even nicking the heart will probably not prevent it pushing blood to at least SOME of the right areas even if much is travelling into the chest cavity now. Failing the critical "T" hit above, most physical disabling is caused by a loss of BLOOD TO THE BRAIN, which can mean blood spewing from the body OR DRAINING INTERNALLY. But this takes vairable lengths of time depending on where the round struck - I'm not saying "shot placement" because this implies someone says "Ahh, my .45 will definitely mushroom and bend if I aim at the fattest part of this fat guy and the round impacts at 34 degrees from the verttical." No one fucking has the time for that. The best of the best can barely hit the "T" reliably.

(Part 2 of post)
Eventually almost ANY gunshot will be fatal if left untreated due to infection. But the sheer physical effects go

Brain: immediate death
Brain-spain-to-shoulders: Immediate incapacitation
Heart: Less than 30 seconds to disablement
Everywhere else: Anywhere from about 2 minutes to 2 weeks for disabling.

How is it that we see people dropping much quicker or surrendering in many videos?

My theory is that it is largely pshycological. Soldiers provoked to a fit of rage by circumstance, or feeling blessed by god, or high on amphetamines etc psychologically PUSH THROUGH the small pains of being shot and, MORE IMPORTANTLY, the subconcious fear of being shot. It was not only the inappropriate "green tip" armour piercing ammunition of the marines in fallujah that meant insurgents were often found hard to drop. They had all of the above (they'd looted the hospitals for adrenaline as well I might add). Hard training, high self confidence, or experience of being shot before can also allowe people to "push through"

You can see the LITERAL shock on the faces of those shot in good quality police shootout videos. Their is a a VERY LARGE dose of your subconscious brain going "FUCK, I'VE BEEN SHOT. SHITSHITSHITSHITSHIT JUST LIE DOWN CURL UP MAYBEHELLSTOP MAYBE HELL STOP". Many are literally shaking in their shoes wilst being shot. The same part of your brain shouts "MOVE YOUR HAND" when you touch a hot grill. Notice you do not even FEEL the pain consciously till a few seconds later. People are, consciously and unconsciously horrified by being shot unless they fill the critera above. Moreover, a PHYSICAL aspect again sets in as literal "clinical" shock often (but not always) sets in as the body realizes it's draining blood, and a fainting reaction is accelerated by this fact. Hence people falling over, looking dizzy, and rising again as.

(Part 3)

Thus we see the enormous variety of reactions to funfire in all our favourite "shot by a cop" videos.

The average suicide by cop nervous faggot goes down to a couple of rounds because he is already a coward. He can't even bring himself to put a gun in his mouth - someone must do it for him. He's shot twice and he drops moaning to the floor. If he's conscious of his reactions then he HAS what he wants - to be shot. But most likely he is psychologically weak anyway and falls down because subconsciously he as not accepted death. The subconscious "OH FUCK JUST FALL DOWNCURLUP MAYBEHELLGOAWAY OHWAITHESACOPHELLSTOPSHOOTING" reaction drops him as much as anything else.

A fat, retarded, psychopathic, high, aggressive, over-confident gang-banger (as the OP's video appears to show) might be so moved by rage, or self righteousness that he pushes through psychological barriers (or just doesn't have them) and pain (which, again, is usually surprisingly small from gunshot wounds according to a lot of testimony) to carry on fucking people up. He must have his blood drained or his brain stoved in with gunfire to stop him within a minute.

I think you may agree with my conclusions if you watch enough videos of shootings. I don't some people have a magic button in their chest cavity that causes them to drop from two rounds while others take 15 and last 5 times as long (by last, I mean "stay fighting"). I think all these quick drop are largely psychological. Which is not to say that you can prevent it happening to you because a fear of being shot is, at the sub conscious level, probably extremely hard to suppress. You probably need shitloads of confiedence built over a liftetime.

(Part 4)

The effects of small arms larger than
pistols, will generally be more profound as MUCH more internal damage occurs MUCH quicker probably meaning most quick disabling of a target is probably from actual MASSIVE internal bleeding accomplished by round fragmentation in the chest. I have long suspected that this fragmentation is made far worse by the temporary cavity's tendency to tear internal organs OPEN so long as they have been slit previously by the travelling fragments. Hence the observations of many ER staff that rifle wounds create wounds that "tear organs open". And these organs, riddled with blood supplying arteries, rapidly drain enough blood either externall or internally to cause fainting, followed by coma and death (essentially, very rapid target disabling).

I have also long suspected that "suppressive fire" in armies is greatly assisted by a soldiers increasing awareness of the proximity of gunfire, which he may not have noticed as a rookie, and his fear of being struck DUE to his awareness of how rapidly death overtakes people from such wounds. As soon as he becomes aware he is under fire he is acutely aware that he may be hit and die LONG before a medic reaches him. This probably accounts for why rookie units in, for instance, the battle of normandy performed very well at the business of an actual spirited advance. They were simply quite unaware of how rapid death could be. High trained and high moral formations e.g. the 82nd and 101st airborne were also effective for just the reasons you'd think. But units that had been "blooded" were often noted as being very "sticky" and refusing an advance. The russian and german armies countered this by vigorous execution of people who balked at an advance, shaming tactics, and by inculcuting a wide awareness that the war, for them, was "do or die".

Sorry I went off on a tangent there but it seemed semi pertinent.

stfu faggot

>ITT Jow Forums learns about pistol calibers
>still thinks a .45 would have one shot dropped him
There are plenty of trauma surgens that openly talk about the effects of different firearms, if you think you may ever have to fire in anger check them out.

1- drugs dont make you immortal, but they can let you ignore pain and fear
2- theres 3 things that kill you. Virtually every form of death involves one of these:
>neuronal trauma and CNS disruption
>blood loss and disruption on oxygen transportation
>electron transport chain disruption

Shock, infection, decapitation, overdose, burns, cyanide, drowning, gunshot all involve those 3. If your CNS is intact and has a decent blood supply, you can keep going even with a fist sized meat hole. There are people who get stabbed dozens of times and live because all the vital blood supply and brain structures are deep and well protected by bone and tissue.

Why - am I going to use up all the internet? Did you get dibs on it first?

Or do you think you're funny because you saw someone say that on /b/. You shut the fuck up - you fucking little imatative babbling baby :)

this is why you aim for the head or the heart/lungs/spine. you can see that the cop is trying to shoot him in the legs.

You could have shortened it. The whole post is going to lose the readers attenion. You didn't even include sequential pictures that would make me want to read the post

And no it isn't an attention span problem, you have a marketing problem

Because you don't actually Need all your internal organs working for every second of every day.

I mean, a bowie knife to the liver will leave you dead in a couple minutes and bleeding in the lung is probably a death sentence but you still have a couple seconds before your cells run out of energy.

Your blood still holds enough oxygen for a few seconds of life and even when the oxygen is gone you've got some cellular energy in your tissues. As long as you've got most of a brain and spine you could plausibly keep fighting.

Probably regretted it in the morning, though.

>attacker lived for 10 more days

That's the scary part. It's one thing if you keep fighting for another couple minutes but after 24 hours I'd assume you're either dead or going to recover.

Nobody is obliged to cater to your preferences.

now hush, the adults are talking.

carotid hit will black you out in a few seconds. brain brainstem will get you instantly. spine hit will paralyze, if not kill.

no man, you're just sincereposting way too hard. you can sincerepost on Jow Forums but you have to do it right, otherwise you end up sounding like you're doing a shitty monologue you wrote in your bedroom watching the boondock saints

That's more or less what I was getting at. Only CNS is a literal instant fight stopper. I've wondered to what degree do you keep consciousness from a spine hit, do you stay alive and see but since your body is gg you just wait for the blackout from blood loss/heart stopping, or is it an instant blackout.