LISTEN UP YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS

I'm seeing a LOT of weakposting lately and I want to set a few things straight:

1. You do NOT compare yourself to those who do not lift.
>yeah well not everyone can pick up 300 lbs off the floor
Yeah who gives a flying fuck about that? It's just not impressive if you've applied yourself AT ALL at the gym. I'm not saying it's all about numbers here but if you want to quantify progress, tracking your lifts is the best way to do so.

2. Otterposting is fucking ANNOYING and is not productive for the conversation at hand
>Don't lift heavy bro you just need abs
seriously you could not expose yourself as a DYEL with very little experience with women if you think abs are the only attractive trait on a male. You can do whatever you want but keep your stupid fucking advice to your fucking self.

3. If you're weak (OK, you can say "in progress") you DO NOT know what you're talking about. You just don't have the experience and you haven't spent any appreciable time contemplating or learning effective methods.
>High bar is better for your quads, low bar builds a donkey ass
Shut the fuck up about this already. If you're squatting, you're going to be building your quads and hamstrings significantly. If you prefer high bar, I'm not going to shit on that. I personally prefer low bar.

4. Shitting on powerlifters doesn't make you seem attractive
>straps
>sumo
just fucking kill yourself already. Nobody that actually lifts complains about these things. Straps are a nice training tool that save your thumbs for real attempts and sumo is a completely legitimate way to deadlift in PL. Of all the times that I call you faggot DYELs out on posting your body following this, only ONE person has posted body. If you're not willing to put your fucking money where your smarmy little cockhole is, don't post.

Let's start the summer off informatively and productively. This place can be great, and it shouldn't be relegated to /plg/ and /owg/.

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>This place can be great

never gonna happen, this is just Jow Forums with weights now boardie

>sumo deadlift
didn't even bother reading lmao.

100% fact

but some weak insecure dyel is going to post about how lifting 5 years and being sub 1/2/3/4 is normal because its all he could do. then a bunch of other weak fags are going to agree with him because they dont want to be made to feel bad about themselves. and we will be called trolls

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>squatting
>building your hamstrings significantly
OH NO NO NO NO

implying 1/2/3/4 is doable in 5 years

Based fuckin boa...

I don't even know what you're angry about nor what you are trying to champion here.

bait, thread hidden, user ignored, God save the Queen.

1/2/3/4 is doable in 1-2 years for someone with no athletic background and average genetics

anyone who disagrees isnt trying

>Nobody that actually lifts complains about these things.

every single powerlifter complains about these things, sumo should not be allowed in competitions anymore than an exorcist bench press on your toes with your arse off the bench is allowed

tell me what lifts do you consider strong at this point?

>don't compare yourself to those who do not lift

only 16% of Americans go to the gym, so already you need to cut out 84% of the population.

so is being stronger than the average of that 16% good enough?

well of course let's remove the women, so being in the top half of the 8% of men who go to the gym, so being in the top 4% of the population, is that good enough to be considered strong?

Uhhhhhhhhh it does. It's not 'enough' but it is significant. Shit, when I front squat I mostly feel my glutes and hams working.

Barely does shit for hams. Your front squat is fucked up.

Zero! Zero! There is a zero percent chance that competing powerlifters give a shit about sumo or lowbar.

>You must be from the IPF

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based user
it actually was back in 2010ish. I think that was the point where it started sliding downhill.

otter mode is preferable to fucking yourself up for the dumbest sport in the history of mankind. also just because you're strong doesnt mean you know shit about weightlifting. thats like saying i know how to cut hair because i grow it

Sumo is not deadlifting, its sumo.

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>anyone who disagrees isnt trying
how fucking insecure do you have to be to think you're stronger than others based on pure effort levels. you're a fucking dunce and a loser sir

Squatting does build hammies. You must not be doing atg or squat heavy enough weight.

>just because you're strong doesnt mean you know shit about weightlifting
ahahahahahahahaha
Guess who has been stuck in intermediate purgatory for years guys?

I'd love to see someone that doesn't know shit about weightlifting pull 600. There's multiple tripfaggers in /plg/ that pull well over that. I'll take their advice over your DYEL ass any day.

How come you lift so much but have like no muscle?

lol calm down buddy

your whole post is denegrating people weaker than you because you think they dont try as hard as you or dont have the right training principles. you claim all your strength is due to working hard or some dumb shit. we both know you would be a weak fuck if u did the same shit with bad genetics

1/2/3/4 takes an average of 2 years In the gym I work at, only counting people who go for it and actually get to it.

keep in mind that people don't know what they are doing at first in the gym, unless they hire a coach or a skilled PT who knows what they are doing, almost everybody who hits 1/2/3/4 in their first year of training is fat or/and had shoulder impingements

I've personally found that people usually take between 1 and 3 years to get to 1/2/3/4 but after that people usually get to 3/4/5 at about the same speed. i've known people who get to 1/2/3/4 after 6 months (fat as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck usually) who then take more than two years to get the 3/4/5, and then guys who took 3 years to get to 1/2/3/4 (he couldn't deadlift 1 plate when he started, don't be mean) get to 3/4/5 in a year

you really have to look at average fitness levels. an out of shape sedentary office worker will have a much harder time than an early 20's guy who's played sport 3x a week for the last 5 years, but after that basic level has been reached people tend to level out a lot more.

also seriously 90% of people benching over 2 plates are on steroids, like a good third of the men in any gym are on some form of steroids or sarms

it doesn't

boardie is right about everything else in the OP but he's off on that, the hamstrings cross both the knees and hips so the net change in length during the squat is negligible which makes it a really poor hamstring exercise

strongerbyscience.com/hamstrings-the-most-overrated-muscle-for-squat-2-0/

i was confused about this for a while because i could "feel" my hamstrings working in the squat, but what that really is is the adductor magnus which is positioned in almost the same place, that's probably where the belief that squats really light up your hamstrings comes from

it also explains why people feel like lowbar hits "hamstrings" harder - it doesn't, but it sure hits your adductors harder, but for hamstrings you really want to hinge at the hip (deadlift, SLDL, RDL, trap bar deadlift, whatever some type of floor pull essentially) while not having a lot of knee flexion

>n-no u haha :)
thank you for conceeding that you're wrong and a faggot, have a nice day :)

powerlifters all squat lowbar, that's never been an issue, but sumo deadlifts are not the same thing as deadlifts.

>powerlifters all squat lowbar, that's never been an issue
Reminder that the best squatters in the world are weightlifters who ALL squat high bar.

>all the best squatters are weightlifters
That's objectively not true.

>the best oly squater is shit at oly
Go back panzer.

>strength is due to working hard
>dumb shit
no

and telling people they can do more isnt denegrating its uplifting. your choosing to see it that way because you dont want to accept your own faults

When I do get DOMS after squat sit's, by far, the worst in my Hammies. Am I doing something wrong?

Yup.

Weight, height, S/B/D, and weight gained since you started lifting, now.

>muh genetics
lol literally tumblr fatty tier excuse. Genetics may stop you from being an elite world class lifter not from having 400 wilks.

no, see your adductors are sore which is fine and should happen

jesus christ dude, all that bullshit just to insult me in a roundabout way. how bout u go fuck yourself

Christ you're retarded. He was baiting you dumb slut.

Depending on your squat technique you could be very hinge-dominant. See Rippetoe, M. or Norton, L.

and where is your proof of that? genetics is somehow a factor in lifting until the arbitrary number you just gave me? LMAO

I mean talk to Bryce Lewis and John Haack about that but...
You're still ignorant as fuck and probably a huge faggot.

this and programming

>taking a positive message as an insult
>taking a general statement as a personal insult
idk if this is real or a basedboy strawman...

you never know. alot of weak crabs ina bucket people on Jow Forums

there's no difference in hamstrings activation (EMG verified) between front, highbar, and lowbar, which should be much greater than the difference between one guy squatting lowbar and another guy with a little more hip dominant squatting style squatting lowbar

more glutes, erectors, adductors? sure, absolutely
more hamstrings? no

why are you acting like you're some fucking positive role model? OP made a stupid insulting post and you defend it because you cant admit genetics is a thing in lifting.

look dude i know you want to be right but theres a certain point when you have to admit genetics is a thing in strength training.

or just continue pretending that every one of your achievements in the gym is all you, and genetics is only a factor with teh people who lift more than you.

>all these w**kshitters making 10,000,000 excuses about why doing more sets at RPE 9-10 is too hard for them

this has to be bait

?
Fucking how? How could you do a shins vertical, bent the fuck over squat and not use more hamstrings than a dick forward, straight upright front squat? EMG is borderline meaningless and honestly at this point anecdote is about the best we've got. Bend at the hips and you use the hams. Break at the knees and you use the quads.

What was insulting about it? Who was attacked unfairly? Effort-intolerant, calorie-deficient lifters?

whatever dude. according to you 400 wilkes is achievable by everyone. you're a raving lunatic

ah you've seen the video of some 80's Olympians compared to a single man and a single woman who are both doing equipped lifting who are squatting significantly more than the olympians

a short woman squatting 350kg vs the perfect Olympian tall man squatting 240kg

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those bumper plates are misleading, the powerlifters are moving a LOT more weight, hell the man in the suit is squatting DOUBLE the Olympians weight

That's not my exact claim, but if you really dedicate yourself to hitting those numbers, you can get pretty close. 350 certainly.

Bruh, you have swallowed the bait, there's no need to defend Dave Hoff, the Olyboos are all on tons of roids too.

HAHA okay bby

watch this

post body

>so being in the top 4% of the population, is that good enough to be considered strong?
no, no it's not. You should compare yourself (if at all) to that 4%. All else are irrelevant.

>every single powerlifter complains about these things, sumo should not be allowed in competitions anymore than an exorcist bench press on your toes with your arse off the bench is allowed
You're wrong here too. I'm assuming you've never competed. You take every allowable advantage you can. Just like any other sport. Complaining about sumo in PL is like baseball players complaining about overhand pitching. Also, some of the best deadlifters pull conventional. It's not an outright advantage to pull sumo

you shouldn't rule out personal choices and training protocols but of course genetics has something to do with it.

thx bby

and you obviously don't know shit because deadlift isn't an olympic lift

>its all le genetics meme
you had me going there for a bit. 3/10 for responses.

>the Olyboos are all on tons of roids too.
no way!
i'm sure there are basically no steroid users outside of the IFBB, and none of the people benching 3 plates in a gym are on steroids...

I'm at 300 and consider myself barely intermediate... I'm not some genetic freak either. 350+ is easily achievable for 90% of guys if they actually commit. Most people just don't have strength as an actual goal or do retarded 3x10 shit for everything.

>350+ is easily achievable
>easily
tell me what it would take and how long.

because adductor magnus and glutes also act to erect the torso, while not resisting knee extension (unlike the hamstrings, see Lombard's paradox)

EMG is only useless when comparing completely dissimilar movements (because then there is a lot more going on than muscle activation differences) but it's pretty damn useful for comparing like movements and i'm not sure where the hurr durr it useless meme comes from

ROIDER super triggered that he can't brainwash younglings into his distorted body dismorphic point of view.

First chair violinists at the CSO don't tell collegiate violin players that they don't even play.

NFL players don't tell 99.99% of us that we don't play football well enough.

And elite roiding powerlifters don't dictate standards that matter to the rest of us.

You're superstrong but you didn't drag the rest of the world's standards along with you. The rest of us are back here in the mass of humanity, happy to separate a bit from the pack, not needing to obliterate them by injecting exogenous test into our asses thrice weekly in an attempt to fill in the bottomless pit of our insecurity.

Fuck off boardie, you tremendous gaping asshole

Lombard's paradox is precisely that there "shouldn't" be hamstring and quad activity going on at the same time yet they are very obviously working at the same time on the same movement pattern.

>powerlifters are mad everyone makes fun of them
oh look its this thread again

I fully agree with this post. Thanks for posting OP.

first time on fit son?

Most people can deadlift 300 as long as they played some sports or anything with sprinting a little if you deadlift under 5pl8 they you are upper averageman strength

Your the user Jow Forums needs. So many skinny fat NEETS think they know sit cause they pull 355. Kek keep at it

And now you've made a statement I never disagreed with and in fact explicitly condoned in my first comment.

>no, no it's not. You should compare yourself (if at all) to that 4%. All else are irrelevant.

so you should compare yourself only to the top half of the top half of the top 16%? being stronger than 96% of the population isn't good enough?

ok then everybody under 6'4" is short, becasue only 5% of the population is 6'4" or higher!

dick under 6.7"? micropenis! 96% of people in developed nations may be smaller but yours is pathetic!

Not eating like a retard, sleeping, and going to the gym regularly to lift like someone that isn't an uninformed cunt. Takes 5 years max. I've been fucking around in the gym for TWO years. My wilks is at 304 right now and I just finished my first 25lb cut a few weeks ago...

I'm not some genetic freak or programming genius. I'm just some guy that isn't doing retarded 3x10 brosplits as a novice. I'm going to hit 350 this bulk, I'm only 150lbs away. 3 hours a week and cooking for yourself isn't difficult man.

You're right, friend :)

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Post your body bby
Sumo is for cheaters :^)

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Except you can change your strength and muscularity.

t. 5'10" six incher who's going to get his sword swallowed by by a 7.5/10 in the next two hours

>that deadlift
>straps
>sumo
>counting

lmao

5'10" and 6 inches is 6'4" tho

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lmoaaa

not exactly no muscle but I get your point

NO SIR I WILL NOT I'M JUST user OK

This is the most retarded argument I've read all day and I mean that

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>Nobody that actually lifts complains about these things.

I can pretty much guarantee I lift more than you and I'll tell you right now that sumo deadlifts are utter bullshit that exist only to let delusional pussies inflate their "deadlift" numbers in the same way that half squats would inflate their squats.

AAHAHAHAHAH

>I've been fucking around in the gym for TWO years. My wilks is at 304 right now

oh sweet child, the truth of natty lifting is going to hit you like a ton of bricks.

the next 100 wilks is harder than the last 100 wilks buddy, at 300 nobody with an IQ above room temperature can't say you're intermediate, but every year of gains is only half as much as the last.

>straps
>sumo
Dyel? Can't pull without hook/mix grip and chalk shows you're a dyel, pulling sumo is for competition only and you won't be competing with straps.

What's your best deadlift and bench, fatboi?

lol look at the woman on the right deadlifting with a fixed bar

good thing she wore compression pants so she could perform at such a high level!

more of the girl in background, less of the fag not paying attention to her

can I just ask what counts as strong?

like actual numbers.

>Shitting on powerlifters doesn't make you seem attractive
>straps

Powerlifters don't use straps dumbass. Otherwise, good post.

actually she does

You only squat more than birdshits, you don't bench or deadlift more than him.

I can guarantee you that not only am I a powerlifter who deadlifts more than you, but I also use straps in training when I need to.

Weightlifting is the Snatch and the Clean and Jerk. Plenty of people who couldn't do a full snatch if they're life depended on it can pull 600 off of the ground.

What records do you hold?
>oh wait

And I'll stay natty and get stuck with at a 1400 total in due time. I already know that, and its just fine.