/fast/ #187 - Abs Edition

FAQ
>How do I fast?
Don't eat
>How long should I fast?
Keep going
>Won't I be hungry?
Not after a few days
>Why not just limit calories?
idmprogram.com/difference-calorie-restriction-fasting-fasting-27
>Won't I go into starvation mode?
No, only occurs at extremely low body fat
>Won't I lose muscle?
Not if you lift. Minimal even if you don't. Fasting boosts HGH
>How long will it take me to lose X lbs/kg?
losertown.org/eats/cal.php
*water weight not included
>Can I eat (something with calories)?
A: No
>Can I drink coffee or tea? Diet soda?
Coffee and tea are probably okay. Sweeteners are probably bad. This is debatable
>So only drink water?
For longer fasts, supplement electrolytes. When you feel bad, mix around 1/2 tsp salt and 1/2 tsp potassium chloride/citrate in water and sip it throughout the day or take it as a shot. Adjust as needed. Headache=more salts. Watery shits=more water
>Where do I find potassium chloride/citrate?
Stores would have them where they keep the salt. Names include NoSalt, LoSalt, etc.
>Do I need a multivitamin?
Not unless you're going for a month+
>How long does it take to get into ketosis?
Everyone's different. Just stop eating

GLOSSARY
Autophagy: When your body eats useless cells (loose skin, scar tissue, etc). A benefit of fasting
Dry Fasting: Fasting with no water. Dangerous, but it may speed up autophagy
Insulin: Hormone that regulates fat retention. Spiked by eating, especially carbs. Probably spiked by artificial sweeteners
Keto: Very low or zero carb diet that limits insulin and triggers ketosis.
Ketosis: When your body has used all of its carbs/glycogen and starts using fat for fuel

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RESOURCES
>FUNG LECTURES
youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0
>THE BASICS
youtube.com/watch?v=APZCfmgzoS0
>BENEFITS
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3946160
>CANCER
youtube.com/watch?v=LGafhm1cuSI
>AUTOPHAGY
cell.com/cell-stem-cell/abstract/S1934-5909(14)00151-9
>HUNGER
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29105987
>MUSCLE
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5064803
>DISCORD
discord.gg/Raz5BhY

today i broke my fast after 8 days. it's weird how quickly food becomes mundane again after spending so much time fantasizing about it.

>that moment when your boyfriend fasts for a month and you buttfuck his skinny ass

feels good

>skip breakfast and lunch
>eat 2k calories at dinner

what happens? can you still lose weight because of if?

It's kinda like doing nofap. You will get so horny and fantasize about women all day, then after you have fapped, you go, 'meh' and it wasn't all that good.

If you burn more than 2,000 calories a day

I've been on OMAD fairly regularly for about 10 years, even before I knew it had a name or was a thing other people did. During that time I've exercised but not really lifted until the past 3 months. I'm 5'10 and my weight has been in the 160-172 range most of those 10 years. 3 months ago I had let myself go and got up to 169, so I decided to lose weight. Cardio is about the same as it was before, just added lifting and have reduced calories to 1500/day (some days fewer even). I'm at approx. 153 now, but still have a decent amount of fat in my lower abdomen and lower back. For the past 2 weeks my weight has fluctuated between 151-155 (water weight) but always stayed within that range and I don't notice myself getting leaner. With my current level of muscular development I'm thinking 140-145 is a good range for me to be relatively lean, and from there slowly increase my calories and focus on slowly gaining mass. I'm not really sure how to break this stall. As it is I'm consuming around 10,000 calories a week at most, so I don't know if further caloric restriction is smart. Would adding 1 48 hour fast and upping my intake to around 1700 the 6 days I eat possibly work? Any tips?

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build muscle first, fast later you fucking twink

If I eat 500 calories a day and do cardio for 500 calories, is my body going to think I'm fasting? What is different between this and actually fast?

insulin

Heads up for those of you who have a blood test coming up- fasting temporarily reduces your white blood cell count (autophagy cleans out the older blood cells and regenerates new ones when you end the fast), so your doc may be like mine and make you go in for another blood test. So I'd say don't fast a week or so before a physical just to avoid the hassle.

This. While fasting I was thinking about food a lot but once I broke fast and ate I was like "that was it?I broke my fast for this?". Its not worth it

thanks

is the user who used to post his progress still here?He was showing how his tshirt fits better and better as he is losing weight

at 48 hours now. pretty hungry but not too bad. wondering how much my strength levels are going to drop. Ive always struggled with my strength on a cut (i think its a mental block). Got pretty bad stomach cramps after the gym. thought i was going to puke. pretty sure im just dehydrated from dead week (stim binge)

Do I have to worry about salt if I only do 4-5 day fast? I haven't eaten since Monday evening and I feel fine so far.

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Is jacking off while I'm fasting safe
I'm not about that nofap shit but I can see why it gets risky when you are fasting

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Waaaait, I dont need 200g Protein a Day? I can just stop eating and keep my gains?

Take it when you feel you need it. You'll know- weakness, lightheadedness, headaches, muscle cramps, etc.

so im a fat ass, currently ~320 lbs. used to weigh 255 about a year ago but since I dropped out of uni I went into NEET mode and gained it all back, would a fast help me lose some of the weight? how long would you recommend for a beginner to try and fast?

gonna end my 5 day fast tonight w some veggies n meat n kimchi. really looking forward to it. Might continue the fast for the next couple days too just for kicks.
Love the way my clothes are feeling on my body today! We're all gonna make it! Feeling that sexyrobot feel today

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>Take it when you feel you need it.

If you feel you need it with those symptoms you should have already gotten some salt into your system hours ago. Just having a little salt every so often won't kill you

Is there any evidence that dry fasting increases autophagy more than prolonged water fasting?

I do IF, usually 6/18, occasionally 4/20. Is fasting for days at a time really worth it. The most I've ever done is like 30 or so hours.

Does it matter what I eat to break a 1 week fast? I'm bout to fucking destroy some food.

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Is this your first time fasting?

just drop the soda drinks and all carbs and chocolate/chips etc. do some cardio to start off even if you do 5mins keep going the weight will drop off

eat some soup broth, pure fruit juice (no sugar or other sweetener added), fermented vegetables

There isn't any medical research on it because its considered unethical to pay subjects to be deprived of water

i don't think that any of our ops are good so i figured i might try to mess around with another one. feedback is welcome as i might have missed some things and gotten them wrong

pastebin.com/qmgwnpne

no turds !

I've done 3 days before, but not this long. I'm trying to pace myself and work up to an even longer fast.

Nah, I'm gonna eat a grilled cheese sandwich.

>pure fruit juice
Stupid idea that could kill someone if you told it to someone who has been fasting for an actual long period of time

Refeeding syndrome is avoided by eating foods high in phosphates, magnesium and low in sugars - even if natural. Namely, lean meat or fish.

You will lose a bit of muscle, but less than you would doing a long cut.

Think of it like this. You can either eat at a deficit for a year, losing muscle every single week until you have lost the 50 lbs. Or you can fast for two months and get it over with quickly, so that you can spend the remaining 10 months lean bulking.

Now, who will have the most muscle by the end of the year? I'd say the guy fasting.

Eat something small and see how you do. Then just go from there.

dont make it have too much bread
and put plenty of cheese on it
oh and remember to make some tomato soup with it

>Fapping to my folder of pics my gf sent me
>Some food we made together is in there
>Start fapping to the food
It's only 28 hours in.

Your body increases HGH to preserve lean mass

the explaining of the intermittent fasting schedules is a bit too much
>1. 16:8
>Fasting for 16 hours with an 8 hour eating window.
>2. 18:6
>Fasting for 18 hours with a 6 hour window.
>3. 19:5
>Fasting for 19 hours with a 5 hour eating window.
>4. 20:4
>Fasting for 20 hours with a 4 hour eating window.
>5. 23:1
>Fasting for 23 hours with a 1 hour eating window. Also known as OMAD (One Meal A Day).

plus its not like its that important to get it on the hour
just tell them the eating window should be short and the fasting window long

I'd say start with just doing a two day fast. Then a five day fast. Then go for 20 days.

In theory, you could start now and fast for three months. But if you are not used to it, then easing into it might be better.

Remember to buy some salt and nosalt if you are going to be fasting for 3+ days as it will make you feel less shitty and keep you in better health.

>tomato soup with grilled cheese
What the fuck

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holy shit have you never had it before
you dip it in like milk and cookies
sorry ive said too much to tempt people who are fasting now

>He doesn't know the glory of dipping grilled cheese into tomato soup
Get out

Try skipping breakfast tomorrow
Then lunch the next day
Then see if you can go a day without eating
Then that morning if you feel good, go as long as you want
When you refeed, try to avoid bread & pasta, and only eat your calculated BMR (Look it up)
Then try and go as long as possible again

The longer you go, the better it will be for you because you already have lots of weight. Its not uncommon for other health problems to get some relief from fasting too - especially if they're partly caused by your diet.

OMAD vs alternate day fasting. Which one is better? I would probably lose weight faster doing alternate day since it will have the same calories as that OMAD.

why does he sound like he perpetually has a cold?

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idk sounds alright

What I don't get is the fags who eat it with ketchup

Nahhh man, I've always heard of people eating it together but it's weird as fuck. Now I'm all for dipping a cold cut sandwich into some soup like clam chowder.

He's canadian.

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Alternate day fasting is better for weight loss, but OMAD is more manageable with a lot of the same benefits

I don't get why he looks like shit.
I mean, he knows what to do and yet has skinnyfat body.

Oh, and fuck off with "muh powerlifting" excuse, cole.

How long should I wait after breaking a fast to eat spicy food?
Craving hot pot.

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He is a natty, mixed race half-black, ex-alcoholic, ex-sexaddict with more STD's than you can count. Also, he shouts a lot, which harshens the throat.

But why do you care? Have you seen what nutritional professors and researchers look like? They are nerds. They look terrible.

Cole is like 37 and looks better than most 20 year olds. That's good enough.

you know i never looked it up before and thought natty was just a body type
now i realize his natty-ness is an effect of the fasts

The longer you wait, the easier it will be on the stomach. Cole says that cayenne peber is great for the stomach, though. So perhaps you don't need to worry as much.

whats the best way to start a cold bath? let it fill up slowly?

if i build an underground nuke shelter, do y'all think putting pink salt and nosalt in the rations would be a good idea?

For sure. It's pretty cheap and could feed a person for months if the person is fat enough. Make sure you have a source of water, though.

is it safe to snake fast for multiple months if you dont have any type of multivitamin or whatever?

You won't need a multivitamin for the first month, at least. Doing multiple months, it might be necessary in order to be safe. But more research is needed.

The theory is that the body stores vitamins in the bodyfat and that the body can mobilize minerals such as calcium from deposits around the body. So therefore you do not need multivitamin.

As long as you don't go into shock by rapidly jumping in or make the water so cold you get frostbite, then you should be good.

maybe we can conduct an experiment
we can find a fat guy with no more will to live (provided all that fat isnt empty calories)

I found the best method is to start my bath at lukewarm and slowly get it colder is it progresses since it has an automatic drain above a certain point. Shivering now

>with a lot of the same benefits
how

I'd love to just live in a hospital room for three months, with a bed with monitors around my arms measuring bloodflow and shit, a nurse not far away to make sure I don't die, a stationary bike and a tub for cold baths. All while researchers document it all.

I don't have a bathtub, so I just put my shower on the coldest level, jump in and stay for as long as I can. Usually never more than five minutes. I don't think it has nearly the effect of laying an our in cold water. But it is refreshing, at least. Gets the heart pounding.

Fuck, I can't do that shit, im a wimp.

how fat are you?
also you could probably gather some scientists and do it

Contact McGill med school. They'll hook you up. Pun intended.

Yes but then I would have to live in Canada for a year.

Seconding this question. Please respond.

dont see how bad it would compare with fapping elsewise, i mean sperm takes months to actually get into the vas deferens, and it doesnt take that much energy for your prostate to push it through the urethra
of course i hope that youre fapping not to weird fucking fetish porn
you know what, an anorexic fetish would really suit this general

give me to the strength to stop going to

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TAKE MY HIGH ENERGY
youtu.be/GkyLfzubLfQ

before your fast eat 5 cans of sauerkraut i swear you wont want to eat for a month
also watch videos of fat people eating food
also look at this

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nofap + dry fasting + deep meditation
yeah boyz

you must be from bongland or 'straya. here in the states it's a normal thing. try it sometime, it's a great combo.

Honestly looking at food feels as good as eating it sometimes
Or smelling it.
Thanks, not him but I'm gonna look at this when I want to eat

Want to try this combo. Do some monastery shit

I'm on day 42 at the moment....this is the weirdest shit I've ever done.

Will sipping liquid smoke break my fast?

How do you do it bro? Longest I did was 4 days
Also how much did you lose over the fast?

It gets easier in my opinion after day 7 or 8 and then you don't even feel hungry anymore. This is my first fast....I did 11 days, then ate the next...then I did 19 days....then ate the next...and then started my current fast......all together 275 lbs to like 189 lbs so far.

Isn't my first

Up until several months ago I thought one would die if they went more than a few days without eating

Im a couple pounds overweight with love handles and a little too big of a stomach. Right now im eating a couple hundred calories less a day than im supposed to, but im being told by some people that my stomach fat will stay and that all ill lose is muscle. Any tips?

Well, fast. Do OMAD for a little bit and exercise, and then do a 48/72 hour fast, or as long as it takes. Also stop relying on being spoonfed.

>fasted and keto'd down 25 lbs or so late last year
>broke a ~60hr fast with a big meal and beers a few months ago
>fell off the wagon, decided just to bulk a bit
>bench press goes up, but weight increases 15lbs in a few months
>now 24 hours into another fast, going to just cut down to ~180lbs before I decide what to do next
Like this guy I had no idea how easy it was to just not eat for prolonged periods of time. Fasting really is a great way to lose weight, and is easier for me than just eating at a deficit. No calories means no calorie counting. We are all gonna make it, boyos.

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>DUDE JUST STARVE YOURSELF BRO LMAO

this general needs to be banned and everyone ITT needs to be gassed

>start fasting on 4/22
>55 hours
>maintain keto regime from 4/25-4/29
>fast for 76 hours
>still currently in ketosis
>mad weight loss gains but foggy, faint and depressed
>important exam on 5/19
>considering fasting and remaining keto until 5/14 to study and get brain working again

Is this a good idea? Also, what can I expect transitioning back to a moderate carb diet? Any advice on what I should eat for my first normie meal? (I'm obviously not going to be eating cakes and soda and high fructose shit)

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Does anyone know when or if Cole's segment is going to appear on The Doctors?

Idk i just was starting to doubt myself but i was on the calorie countint diet for a while. Was just wondering cuz a bunch of ppl are telling me im doing it wrong

Why stop? You can still fast and visit ck. Eventually you will get bored of it though once you've been fasting a while.

day 5 water fast and im still hungry... its nothing crazy or really intense but the whole "your hunger goes away after a couple of days" thing is a meme.

I want to believe in this so bad, but are you sure your body doesn't go into starvation mode? Even the sticky says not to starve yourself, and nobody reads the sticky.

Hunger comes in waves. There are certainly differences from day 1-2 and day 6+. Eventually you don't feel hungry. Day 5 you still might have some hunger come and go.

What happens if I eat just 500 calories a day while lifting 3 days a week?