Everyday a beginner to the gym will ask what program he should do, Jow Forums will usually respond with either Starting Strength or Stronglifts and order them to eat a lot.
A few months will pass and the beginner have stalled and is confused with why he’s not gaining any muscle despite putting so much weight on the bar.
They say he should stick with the program, read the book, get a lot of sleep and eat even more food and not to switch programs unless he’s reached “intermediate” lifts 1/2/3/4.
The beginner sticks with it and runs it for 1 year, while making very little progress.
Here is where the problem actually lays: Starting Strength and Stronglifts does not actually build muscle.
Groups on the internet, such as the SS shills, have probably left untold amounts of guys disappointed with how they've looked after 3-12 months.
Meanwhile, the "bro" who goes to the gym and does curls, bench, shoulders and a few chin-ups and leg presses totally blows the SS "student" out of the water, getting bigger arms, shoulders, pecs and upper back.
honestly, if you are a 'skinny' teenager all you need is 5-10lbs of muscle to get the body girls want. rather than pissing about with 'foundational lifts' why not do some curls, get a good body, and see if you like lifting enough to take it more 'seriously?'
do an actual good routine greg nuckols has alot of beginner routines im a fan of his approach of low volume high intensity high frequency full body workouts
Adam Wilson
12X3
Brandon Young
But a year after that, the SS guy switching to hyperthrophy absolutely destroys the twink fuckboy who will have stalled and is still doing his 3x12 dumbell bench with 18 kg in each hand. He will also be stronger, more efficient in recruiting muscle and will forever be making more and easier gains than the guy trying to do hyperthrophy with dyel weights.
Oliver Diaz
But a year after that, the SS guy switching to hyperthrophy absolutely destroys the twink fuckboy who will have stalled and is still doing his 3x12 dumbell bench with 18 kg in each hand. He will also be stronger, more efficient in recruiting muscle and will forever be making more and easier gains than the guy trying to do hyperthrophy with dyel weights.
there's literally zero hard evidence for this and tonnes of annecdotal cases saying otherwise. at best, if you do SS 'perfectly' and don't end up fat as fuck or imbalanced (unusual) you'll roughly draw with the hypertrophy bro. SS isn't some super magic sekret routine that grants you superphysiological gains.
Gavin Hughes
Fierce five
Jaxson Stewart
>why not do some curls, get a good body, and see if you like lifting enough to take it more 'seriously?' Because we're men. We don't consider if what we want is right or not. We assume it is right, chase it 100%, and adjust as needed.
Cooper Campbell
Jokes on you, I'm already a fat bastard. The 5 compounds give me nothing but strength gains beyond imagining. Still losing weight too.
Ian Garcia
You might only be pretending to be stupid - because seeing (you) is as close popularity as you’ve ever been... sigh, oh well.
You can’t “stall” on a program like stronglifts. That would mean you can’t add 2.5pounds to your squat. OR that you couldn’t add one more rep to your sets. OR that you could not decrease your rest time by 30 seconds.
I worked my deadlift up to 315 by adding reps from 5 until I got to 7. Then I’d go back to 5 with 2.5 added pounds and repeat. Only once could I not hit 7 - so I worked my rest time down 15 second per week until I was at 2m between sets in route to my working weight. Then I up’d it to 330 - and suddenly I could do 7 reps. I did 7 reps another week, then dropped back to 5 with 2.5 more pounds.
You don’t give up. You push. I went from 175 to 315 in about 18 (weighing 150). I am proud of that. I didn’t gain much weight in the process either - maybe 15 pounds. Now I’m on the road to 405.
Don’t quit.
Benjamin Ortiz
His point is gaining muscle mass, not increasing actual weight goals
Evan Morales
> thread about aesthetics > hurr well i lifted more stuff > no actual content about the changes in physique, lean mussels gained, or mires
Jose White
PPL faggot. get your big compounds outta the way (usually 1 or 2 of em a day) then do some isolations
Christopher Gutierrez
*snap* I'm going to need sub folders for organizing cringe soon
Carter Thomas
I'm not doing 5x5 because I want to pick up thots. It's because I'm a fat shithead that hates how weak I am and how it limits my opportunities later in life. I want to be confident in my ability to do things myself, to hike a mountain or run with my dog again.
Levi Walker
>Hey guys, I don't understand masculinity It's OK. We're here for you.
Owen Young
I was that guy that OP talked about who completely disregarded compound shit and focused on iso.
You're right that I built muscle mass quick and looked good, but I also hit a ceiling within two years and none of my weights moved at all. I recently had to stop for a month long trip and all my physique disappeared instantly. Now I'm getting back into the gym and trying the starting strength meme, and I'm liking it a lot. It seems the problem with starting strength is that it's so radically disinterested in aesthetics or workout leeway. For somebody like me who's just been muddling around and is looking for actual improvement, starting strength is great because it gives me a new routine that reliably produces results. However, I also know enough about lifting that I can add isolation lifts like curls for aesthetics without being overwhelmed. Also, all of SS is based around complex lifts that a beginner will likely fuck up because of atrocious form.
Of course, I haven't been doing it very long. If I see absolutely zero aesthetic progress I might give it up.
Tl:dr: isolation fuckery does produce better aesthetic results in the short term but SS can do the same if you know what you're doing, but with the added benefit of strengthening yourself. It is also not a great starting point for newfags who would probably be better served just being told to aim at a muscle group instead of given a pamphlet.
Parker Long
i am that skinny teenager. how long would it take to get that body with the right routine?
why not just do ppl? heavy compound movement first, then accessory exercises based off of whatever compound you did that day. You'll get strong and aesthetic at the same time.
Bentley Gray
Ppl?
Nathan Cook
Be born female.
Wyatt Foster
this is the most retarded post i have ever seen in 8 years of lifting and browsing Jow Forums
you really outdid yourself holy shit
"just don't stall", pissening programming methodology, absolutely revolting you should coach IPF lifters with your revolutionary knowledge of "just push it bro"
you're experiencing novice gains and have no idea what stalling actually is but i eagerly look forward to you slamming headlong into a plateau and quitting once making gains actually takes a little effort and grind
Ian Rivera
have long limbs and starve yourself push/pull/legs
Easton Lee
the key is volume it doesnt fucking matter if you do "strength" or "hypertrophy"
just double or triple the volume of either program and you get it
I do a 5x5 or typical PPL and I'm not really tired at the end of an hour. Maybe a little bit, but then 15 minutes later I can do it all over again. And thats what you should do.
Think of each routine as an interval, and do 2-3x of them in a day.
>what is CNS activation and muscle fiber recruitment
Aiden Wilson
I don't know why everyone always shits SS/SL. Oh wait, I do. It's usually because they don't bother to read the full documentation. SS/SL are NOT for aesthetics or hypertrophy. This is like bitching your TV doesn't make you a sandwich. It was never meant to do that in the first place.
SS/SL is the very first introductory step into powerlifting. Even at the end of the program, you won't be at a competitive level, but you'll have a good foundation of strength and technique and then you move on to a different intermediate program.
My personal success story (yeah, yeah anecdotal, shut up) of one year of SL - which I know is a hell of a lot longer than you're supposed to be on it - and GOMAD in the last 3 months:
Squats: 80kg to 195kg Deadlift: 100kg 210kg Bench press: 90kg to 150kg OHP: 60kg to 100kg
I've since moved on from SL, but I'll always be grateful for the major gains I got in that first year of lifting.
Logan Clark
Yeah, I do push/pull/legs. Also called a bro split I think? Exactly how you described it. The best of both worlds imo.
Jaxon Stewart
so most people seem to be concerned with their upper body growing enough on SS, but the meme is that your legs will get disproportionately large. Is this true? My legs are very underdeveloped and I want to switch to SS for a while to grow them a bit
If your CNS is deactivated, you're going to have a bad time
Jason Anderson
post body then
i do madcow 5x5 and am entirely exhausted, sometimes to the point of nausea, for the rest of the day
Jacob Allen
you mean like OP's CNS?
[spoiler]did i mean to say CNS adaptation?
Isaac Garcia
What the fuck? Are you retarded?
You aren't lifting enough during your 5x5. The point is to lift as heavy as you can, progressive overload, etc. You should be fucking tired and struggle as you get heavier and heavier.
Austin Diaz
yea I can do the 5x5 and sometimes I dont even get 5 on the last set for all exercises and you feel tired after
but like 15-30 minutes later you can start it all over
you did not bench 150kg and ohp 100kg on a novice linear progression routine
Julian Moore
nigger you've been lifting for 2 years obviously switch things up
i'm just talking about the majority of noob lifters who want to look good
Jayden Hughes
How many compounds per day on a 3 day/week full body routine? Set/rep scheme on those compounds?
Easton Anderson
great i'm sure girls will love seeing my 'CNS activation' over actual gains lmao
Liam Murphy
> 100kg OHP
do SS fags even lift?
Andrew Lopez
Where do I find the beginner routines ?
Nicholas Martin
Mmmm, I like your salty tears.
What the fuck do I gain by lying on a goddamn anonymous message board?
SL worked for me. End of fucking story.
Cameron Stewart
Wouldn't know. Never touched the shit.
Nicholas Jackson
I agree with you that noob lifters don't need SS. My point is that gains gotten through isolation fuckery hit a ceiling early and disappear quickly
Grayson Collins
So just do a strength program with the big lifts that takes an hour, and then do an hour or two of curls, dips, chins, calves, whatever, after it. In other words, do the program properly, with accessories.
Jackson Brown
I just started and this guy specifically says not to alter the routine besides 3x8 of whatever arm exercise in the last day. Will adding isolation exercises really fuck up the program?
Chase Foster
I've been doing okay with 4x8 for compounds and 3x12 for accessories
Dominic Thompson
no, if done properly (ie not maximum intensity causing fatigue and joint issues) theyll help you
Daniel Rogers
Most skinny teens dont need Jow Forums its skinny-fats to fat kids who need it and ss can help them understand what being strong means in way less time than years of self-doubt and brosplits can.
Andrew White
rip's vision is that you expend all of your energy on the big three -- any acccesories are a distraction from recovery for the next big three workout
Owen Clark
fat kids already have huge thighs and ass why tf would they want to do ss
Thomas Butler
If you don't convince them to throw years of their life away on bodybuilding/powerlifting when they are young and start them off with a basic calisthenics+curlbro routine and get them into athletics instead, they'll be less likely to fall for gym/bodybuilding/supplement/shitty program shills.
Angel Walker
Are you retarded? If youre stronger, your bigger, period The SS guy will be bigger and stronger than the curl bro.
Even if the curl bro tires to implement some form of linear progression, its still not as efficient as SS. Just lol at you dumb ass weak cucks who still believe in the ""hypertrophy rep range"" meme. Ya, have fun with your super special hypertrophy rep range lifting 40lb dumbbells for 3 sets of 8. I'm sure you'll be bigger than the guy doing 5x5 with 225.
Evan Barnes
Maybe he was like 240lbs + with good genetics
Noah Rogers
hey bro why don't you just lift for one rep, every week? nah wait make that every month then you can really max out your lifts
oh wait no that's fucking stupid and there clearly is some kind of optimum rep range btwix 1 and 20 million for making gains, and reps/sets completed count towards overall volume as much as the weight on each lift
holy shit its not fucking complicated but you faggots will do anything to justify letting some obese faggot who's never trained anyone good assfuck you
