>Have a receding hairline >Been on Minoxidil and Finasteride for years >Things fine >Noticed that my hair is receding rapidly for no reason, I'm 26yro >"Wtf this is shouldnt be happening" >Stumble across up on dutasteride online >Its a more powerful version of Finasteride (+90% DHT decrease vs 70% and approved for hairloss in Korea and Japan, but not US yet just for prostate >It has lower chance of side effects.
My questions are: Why THE FUCK does nobody talk about this miracle drug? I've followed hairloss forums and Jow Forums shitposts for years and nobody's mentioned dutasteride Anybody use it? How did you like it? Finally should I make a switch or take both simultaneously? I'm afraid all my Finast-grown hair will fall out if I stop Fin. Heard Dut gives bad sheds. Fuck that
bruh it's more powerful and has a GREATER chance of sides
Jeremiah Watson
Finasteride doesn't lower your testosterone. Only DHT.
Bentley Russell
>The most common adverse reactions reported in subjects receiving AVODART were impotence, decreased libido, breast disorders (including breast enlargement and tenderness), and ejaculation disorders.
For fuck's sake man, I know its a meme but JUST FUCKING SHAVE IT. All this shit is not worth it. I was just like you. I made a bunch of threads just like this one and would worry constantly about balding. I must have spend hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on trying to stop balding. I didn't even give up. I just honestly got fucking lazy and stopped using all the shit I had. Then after a while I decided to shave it, and now I don't even think about my hair. Honestly the best thing I ever did. When I look back at how stressed I was about it, I get the same feeling you get when you look back at a bad relationship. Seriously man, just fucking shave that shit. I just take clippers to it and walk around looking like Jason Statham's ugly cousin. And that's fine with me, since I still haven't had a problem getting laid.
There's not gonna be a cure bro. Its like cancer. Why sell you the cure when they can just sell you the "treatment"? Hope is one hell of a drug. Ever seen one of those cartel videos or an ISIS beheading? Next time, look into the victim's eyes and you'll notice that hope is always the last thing to leave them. Even as they're kneeling there, in fron't of the camera, knowing what's going to happen, they still have hope that they might get out of it, and that hope never leaves them until they start to lose consciousness. Even then it's still persisting to a certain degree.
Christopher James
Oh my god who cares most adult men have some degree of receding hairline. Don't be swayed by the teens on this board no one really cares
Jonathan Bailey
Just shave it bro
Kevin Rogers
Just shave bro girls love that shit.
Justin Bailey
well i don't buy that all desu senpai, 'big pharma' is a thing but in regards to fin, duta and minoxidil even though they've basically been it as far as a cure goes for the last 20 years, they are all expired patents meaning that anyone can manufacture them, as we shit post our lives away on the toilet of the online fitness community there are 3 or 4 company's right now that are in stage 3 clinical trials for their unique treatment designed specifically for hair growth, not just re-branding a drug designed for prostate enlargement that just so happened to have the side effect of DHT suppression. this is huge news my balding friend.
if anyone of you faggots is interested ive just ordered some of that topical fin and ill post again with updates.
You can make your own shampoo with some new chemical that's significantly more effective than memexidil.
Go to /fraud/.
Charles Jones
are you referring to that RU compound? that shit literally makes you retarded and isnt even legally allowed to be used on humans, there is a reason it never got out of stage 2 and is sold by pajeets on at extortion prices
Angel Thomas
Both block DHT. Duta is stronger than fin but with a higher risk of side effects. Both should theoritically work unless you have some rare condition where you're insensitive to them.
If you don't know which to choose, try finasteride first because it's safer and helps in the majority of cases.
Oh, and read up on post-finasteride syndrome if you want some horror stories. Fin may or may not fuck up your hormone receptors forever so be aware of the risk.
Matthew Edwards
I'd look like a literal caveman, and not in a cool masculine way. For people like me suicide is better than baldness.
Nathaniel Turner
So kill yourself then narcissus
Ian Garcia
This, it actually raises it slightly infact
Isaac Taylor
Get plugs
Cameron Flores
>Next time, look into the victim's eyes and you'll notice that hope is always the last thing to leave them.
fuuuuuuk. that's deep bro.
Jayden Flores
I honestly don't know, but it's topical. Iirc it's just a fina/duta like drug that works topically.
i think you might be talking about this fren. there isnt a lot of long term research into the side effects as it never got approved. did a couple of forum searches about it back awhile ago, usually people experimenting with it on them selves have positive feed back for the first 3 months before they get hit with huge side effects, way more intense anything oral fin or duta users.
side effects are the biggest things that scare me that why im opting for the 1% topical fin so i can atleast hold on to what i have before a decent treatment comes out in a couple of years.
Been on minox for a year and hair has thickened nicely, but is starting to get worse again, maybe because I'm cutting. Gonna hop on fin in a couple weeks, just scared about gyno desu.
I bet a cure or at least an equivalent treatment to fin without the sides will be released by the Japs or Koreans in the next decade, but for now, I'm going into uni and just wanna keep my hair.
Isaac Robinson
don't normally reply to this shit but here we go. I started receding at 15. started fin for 6 months at age 16 (i ordered generic online and didnt tell parents - it is dirt cheap on some websites). remember after a few months feeling very out of it in class - mainly brain fog and once or twice couldnt get it up despite normally fucking my gf 6 times a day. very low semen volume too (some barely came out). stopped taking it. hair continued to recede (very slowly). age 19 started it again at uni for 1 year. hair continued to slowly recede though. thought wtf this was supposed to stop it. took out the big guns and ordered generic dut (about 20 at this point). popped a few of these babies. nothing happened different to fin - hair continued to recede very slowly but i felt poisoned - everytime i touched one of those gel capsules it reminded me i am literally poisoning myself.
This is my story with meds. I'm 23 now almost 24. Yes my hair has receded very slowly. But I've cut it shorter with a 0 on the sides and it actually looks better than it ever has. I also hit the gym and started neck training. I am way more attractive now than when I was on those stupid fucking meds. and eventually I will shave it down short but who the fuck cares? I'll be even bigger by that point.
Make use of what you can control without poisoning yourself bro.
pic is what I took for around 8 months. dont recommend.
3 companys in stage 3. its entirely possible the 'cure' will be ready for the market by the end of the decade.
Ayden Adams
cont.
Just remembered what started my fit journey. I saw a guy posting on these hair loss forums (fuckin lol). This guy clearly lifted but was worried about the hair loss. Most people replied with something like 'dude i wouldnt give a shit about hair with a body like that'.
WELL WHY THE FUCK DONT YOU GET A BODY LIKE THAT AND STOP BEING A LAZY FUCK DROPPING A DUT CAPSULE WHILST SITTING ON UR ASS HOPING THAT WILL CURE YOUR PROBLEMS.
It made me think and you know what it made me realise how all those people worrying about a bit of hair on their head were so fixated and desperate about it because they were all so lazy to make the effort and control things that they can control like getting a good body/career.
but to answer your question - i took both for a few weeks until i was on straight dut. dut blocks MORE types of 5ar. I read all the studies on this shit but you can get the majority of what you need from wiki. the main problem is that 5ar enzymes do other stuff than just convert test --> dht. neurological functioning and the creation of new pathways relies heavily on 5ar enzymes. read the studies and get informed. if you block this shit entirely with dut (and most types of 5ar enzymes are blocked with this med to a huge extent compared with fin), you are also inhibiting other processes in your body.
Based on my experience im not saying dont take it. read all the studies then take it if you still want to take a risk. the reality is that nobody knows what will happen to you if you take dut or fin long-term. alzheimers is often a concern in the literature given the link between 5ar and neurological pathways, demyelination etc.
Any questions ill be happy to answer them, otherwise goodluck bro
Benjamin Mitchell
no i've never had gyno. yes it was a stupid idea but this is what hairloss does to you at that age. I had no hobbies, no sport to focus on and was extremely concerned about it.
Evan Williams
Or you know, just take pills that aren't poison...
>voluntarily lowering your DHT i have hair loss and i literally browsed hundreds of sites to maximize my DHT the fuck is up with you >Finasteride doesn't lower your testosterone. Only DHT. >not your testosterone, only its 4x more powerful cousin
Julian Torres
yeah I mean if your happy with your dick size then no harm was done really. I used to be a fatty and lost all my weight, but still feel so insecure about myself, which has now taken the form of hairloss. I'm only 18 but I think I need to at least try it just to know I've tried every option.
Hunter Cook
>for oral / vaginal / rectal use.
Thomas Edwards
>Finasteride vs dutasteride
It's the same shit, if fin won't work, this won't either. Guess you are one of those few unlucky people that will get bald no matter what you take.
Nolan Thompson
Generic progesterone capsules... What are you expecting?
Nathan Butler
I'm confident my dick size is the same as it would have been had I not taken it - it's above average despite being below average height and has grown compared to before I took the meds, so I can't complain.
If you want to take it then please read the studies and stay away from the hairloss forums because it's full of extremely desperate people and that won't help you form an informed and objective opinion on the matter.
What have I learnt: I will always be insecure about something, but that's normal. Be insecure about something you can change because being insecure about hairloss (something which is not your fault) leads to a very destructive and irrational way of thinking - something which you can observe en masse if you visit any of the hairloss forums haha.
Good luck bro, maybe lift some weights instead.
Christian Morgan
why are you trying to castrate yourself;f?
Sebastian Nguyen
Thanks for the advice bro
Oliver Green
You're literally taking estradiol to stop male pattern baldness? KEK
Colton Nguyen
HLT forum users are actually so pathetic. Even worse than Jow Forums.
Samuel Reed
See I used to joke that if I ever started balding, I would pop tranny pills, and uhhh... I noticed that the corners of my hairline were starting to climb. I also really hated how oily my hair was.
I spent a lot of time on there hoping. It's so fucking funny when I look back on it. Even at age 17 I thought to myself wtf are these guys even doing with their lives. Genuinely pathetic excuses of men. They all perpetuate eachothers worries to the point they may as well just fucking shoot themselves.
TLDR: The leading cause of hairloss is hypothyroidism. Check your temperature, check your thyroid levels. Low metabolism = low hair. DHT is red herring. No, dyel numales aren't losing their hair because of too much testosterone. Finasteride does the same shit progesterone does. Use progesterone cream on your scalp instead, many times safer. Infrared/Near-Infrared red light inhibits molting, is legit useful to use.
Noah Baker
Estradiol aka estrogen is a source of hairloss, you trans-idiot. There's a reason hairloss is common in women post-pregnancy: their bodies stop making progesterone and their estrogen shoots up. Both men and women naturally lose progesterone as we age. That's the key in age-related hair loss. Toss the pills. You've picked the wrong hormone.
The tranny pills made you dumber OP, dut has a higher chance of side effects since you're effectively removing a male hormone from your body. Also >fin makes your test higher MEME you dumbass, your free test decreases on fin and dut, and free test is what counts
my hairline is acceptably receding for my age but i still follow hairloss shit on reddit and im amazed at how those people have programmed themselves to not notice what they're doing to their bodies. it's prescribed to trannies my dudes, it fucks with your body on a very serious level
Luke Adams
If you're taking estrogen because you want to grow tits, that's your business. But estrogen thins hair. For growing hair, just use progesterone.
Obviously I'd advise you to start eating a metabolism-promoting diet (aka not keto/vegan/carnivore memes). Of course, the quickest and most direct way to improve it is to cycle T3 (Cytomel). Ideally, after a few cycles your thyroid will have flushed out reverse-T3 and be able to work on it's own. Hypothyroidism is the numale-maker, and it's an absolute epidemic.
Sebastian Collins
Most trannies don't use reductase inhibitors, as they instead use AAs to suppress testosterone...
Caleb Perry
they're usually on stacks of cypro, spiro and fin, it might be unusual but i've seen it
Ryan King
I've taken fin and duta for around 4 years now. I take fin every day and duta once every third day because it's pretty expensive. It's definitely slowed my hairloss down although it has continued a bit. I caught it early though and it's not that bad, and without it I'd almost definitely have shaved by now.
Kevin Fisher
Taking just progesterone would still tank my testosterone, so I'd need estrogen regardless... Tits kinda high key suck.
Spiro and fin has some justification Fin is completely pointless on cypro Mixing Spiro and cypro is even more pointless
Nicholas Foster
Is it a meme that hair falls a bit more during summer? It feels like my hair has thinned, but not male pattern wise. I part my hair in the middle and for the first time I can see my scalp. Also, different question. When I was isotretinoin for acne I had zero dandruff and I didn't see a single hair drop in the shower. When I stopped it and my scalp oils "rebalanced" I started dropping the usual ~20 hairs per shower. Can an oily scalp cause hair loss?
Evan Russell
Just taking progesterone would not tank your testosterone. There's an almost immediate improvement of libido when one starts taking progesterone. Try it and you'll find out.
Eli Sanders
does fapping have any correlation?
Aaron Bailey
Prolactin miniaturizes hairs by encouraging testosterone secretion. So there is some truth to masturbation causing balding, though really it's more of a high estrogen problem than a low testosterone one.
Sebastian Taylor
Too late to quit the estrogen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Jordan Bell
Because it promotes men's health and nobody gives a fuck about men's health.
>Birth control must be given out like candy for free because it helps with acne >Cialis should be closely guarded even though it reduces blood pressure, reduces the risk of prostate cancer and increases muscle synthesis
I want to ask my doctor to get me on it but I'm sure she's gonna hit me with some mom concern. Think I should just switch to a male doctor.
Trips wasted on an insecure young man who couldn't be more misguided. Finasteride and Dutasteride are nukes that will wreck havoc on your body. High DHT is simply your body reacting to high estrogen. Apply progesterone cream instead. Cialis does indeed lower blood pressure. But what if I told you the problem facing most men with hairloss is low blood pressure, not high? You need to do a lot more research before asking your doctor for anything.
Logan Cooper
Bump. I'd like to know if an oily scalp causes hair loss.
Gavin Fisher
Cialis isn't fin or dut you brainlet
Zachary Sanchez
Choose bald before it chooses you
Gabriel Nguyen
Androgens can cause acne, oily hair, and hair loss
Dylan Richardson
>There's not gonna be a cure bro. Its like cancer Except there are cures for all these ailments, but instead they cause the problems intentionally and then make a killing on treating the symptoms
>TRANSMUTATION OF MALE SEXUAL ENERGY >Steady sleep schedule >Healthy Habits >GoALs
Caleb Long
It's an analogy, big brain. Both pills have their main purpose in sexual areas. Birth control is a big political talking point where companies are shamed into providing it at low costs with reasons like muh acne given as to why it needs to be funded outside of women wanting to fuck raw. Meanwhile Cialis has benefits to male health like reduced blood pressure and reduced risk of prostate cancer but you'll be shamed by your doctor if you ask to be placed on it and no politician would ever run on a platform for giving men dick pills.
Brody Hill
Tell me how Fin or Dut promotes men’s health.
Daniel Rodriguez
>willingly blocking your test receptors
never gonna make it
Elijah Butler
It also improves prostate health. Not to mention that acne isn't detrimental to your health and is just a cosmetic issue much like hair loss. The difference is nobody gives a shit if a man feels poorly about his cosmetic image. 'just shave it off bro' 'lol just stop having sex bro'. It's all the same.
he's a moron who is espousing the ramblings of one man with no credentials on the topic
Colton Powell
For real though, what about hair replacement systems? Inb4 toupee/wig, but seriously:
>no chance of fucking up your dick/getting gyno >Gives you instant hair with incredible density >no post operation hairfall with hair transplants which can take a long time to look normal and fill out >The new ones can stay on your head for 6 months at a time, and look pretty convincing if you get a custom one made that looks like the hair you had before >new ones can be used in the shower and in a swimming pool
I'm a norwood 1.5 and I'm 21, and I currently only use Nizoral shampoo 1-2x a week, but honestly if it gets really bad before I'm 40, I will probably get one of these.
no they dont stay on your head for 6 months at a time. you mean that the system itself lasts 6 months, but you still need to take it off every 2 weeks to shave down the hair underneath and clean the bottom of the system.
Noah Lee
What's wrong with growing boobies user? Don't you want a cute head of natural hair?
Adam Ward
Still worth it
Gabriel Rodriguez
>See one of these threads >Get worried >Inspect my hairline obsessively >Stressed as hell >Start looking at the hairs in the shower floor >Convinced I'm losing my hair >Have a slight panic for 2 months >Finally find old pictures showing my hairline >Turns out I just have a shitty hairline kek
I never want to stress like that again over fucking hair, If I start losing my hair I will just shave it.
Dutasteride is slightly more effective but Fin is way cheaper and slightly easier to get. You can get a year supply at Costco for like $35. I bought a bunch of Dut and then my doctor told me this. He was willing to prescribe me Dutasteride but I decide to go with Fin. Only 3 days in and still feel as horny as usual. I am a KV and don't really care about the potential sides on a superficial level but I don't want extra test aromatising into estrogen so if that starts to happen I jump off the drug or see if one of those drugs frauds take could help with the sides. Don't listen to the anti-fin/dut shills just read the studies and decide for yourself.
That was what I was trying to say it's too soon to tell. Either way I am not worried. If I start to experience bad sides I'll get off of it. >inb4 you claim some irreversible sides bullshit while citing posts from hair loss forums and Youtube comments
Tyler Ramirez
Clearly this is bullshit.
If you were a pharmaceutical company who could CURE male pattern baldness with just a single treatment, you could charge anything for it and people would pay.
In fact, it would make Viagra sales look like a flea market by comparison. There are far more bald men in the world than men with ED.
The reason male pattern baldness has no cure yet, is because there is nothing medically wrong or unhealthy about men with it and it is genetic trait with some unknown environmental trigger associated with it. Some men who carry it never go bald while some do.
I hate this pharmaceutical company conspiracy BS regarding cancer cures and medicine. Do you know how many plutocrats die or have family members that die from cancer? For instance Hugo Chavezs cunt daughter has some $10b in CASH that we know of; do you honestly think some Jew corporation like Merck or Glaxo would say "nah lets keep the cure to ourselves rather than get $1b+ cash payments for patented cure therapy for the worlds elite" Grow up dude. Cancer is many ways HAS been cured but cancer is such a fucking oversimplification term of a massive amount of highly variable genetic cell mutation disorders its like saying the DNA every woman, man in China are all exactly the same and can be grouped together in a term called Chinese.
Jordan Garcia
Yeah fuck them for not wanting to look unattractive. Menwhile women spend thousands of dollars on make up and cosmetic surgeries with entire industries built around it.
An imbalance of high estrogen to low testosterone levels in men causes hairloss. That DHT is increased is just a side effect. Finasteride does reduce estrogen, but does it in a roundabout way by killing your DHT levels. It's far better (and safer) just to go after the estrogen directly. Your total and free test levels look below what they should be for a young man (assuming you're in your 20s-30s). I'd recommend taking another blood test after a few weeks of topical progesterone.
You're a butthurt boomer, we get it.
Jace Gutierrez
Buying pills he shouldn't take at 16 y.o. from random internet sites >omg I feel like shit! >omg they don't work! Baldness was not your worst problem user
Cooper Anderson
People on Fin understand that it's not a cure. If you're lucky it just slows down the balding process. Balding at age 20 when you already have no social skills and have never kissed a woman is a death sentence. If you're already very insecure it's a great reason (when combined with others) to finally kill yourself. Don't tell me to shave it. And no I'm not going to start lifting. I'm a distance runner I don't want to get swole.
Think of finasteride as a stopgap measure. As you said It's not gonna work forever but it should preserve what you have before a real cure is discovered. Stay strong baldingbro.
