Eat a bunch of fat

>satiating
you don't know what that word means

I do, you don't know what I know on the other hand.
eufic.org/en/food-today/article/what-makes-us-feel-full-the-satiating-power-of-foods
protein and carb rich foods ranked the most satiating.
This kills the ketocel.

You're literally only considering the feeling of fullness in the stomach caused by the volume of food. In that regard yes carbs and fiber are clearly the best, but there's more to satiety than that.
Digesting fats releases certain hormones that tell you to stop eating, also protein and fat take a longer time to process leading to a longer-lasting feeling of satiety.

>You're literally only considering the feeling of fullness in the stomach caused by the volume of food.
Yeah because it's the biggest factor at play when it comes to feeling full lmao.
That and variety in taste, I can eat cheese or fatty meat forever and not feel full, but beans or rice or quinoa or potatos make me feel full at about half of the calories I would feel full at on fatty meat or fatty dairy.
Keep in mind white potatos have basically no fiber, and they're still the most satiating food there is.
>Digesting fats releases certain hormones that tell you to stop eating
Which ones?
The same ones that are released when you eat carbs and protein?

>Implying keto is about fat not protein intake

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eating protein-rich food raises insulin as well, better stop it before you get fat

>KETO IS NOT HIGH PROTEIN IT'S HIGH FAT AND MODERATE PROTEIN
>KETO IS NOT MODERATE PROTEIN AND HIGH FAT IT'S HIGH PROTEIN AND HIGH FAT
Make up your mind ketocels.
The true ketogenic diet is literally 90% fat, anything less than that and you start to get away from true ketosis.

So at most, OMAD is the real deal, correct?
Perhaps ADF if you eat carbs.

And eating carbs lets me feel better and work out harder, keeping the fat off anyway.

As for your CICO remark. Claiming that keto is good because CICO is an obvious implication that CICO only works well on keto which is false. You don't get to make an implied argument and then wink and say "Ahh but I didn't technically say that" when you get shot down you moron.

from your own article
> Highest satiating power was found with high levels of protein
>whereas bakery products like cakes, croissants and biscuits were the least satiating foods
this kills the illiterate

minimally increases insulin and minimally increases blood glucose. the amounts are insignificant.

>anything less than that and you start to get away from true ketosis.
no you don't.

Depends on your lifestyle. There's nothing wrong with 3MAD or even 6MAD if you eat good food. Sure you can always be "Healthier" but at some point sticking to your diet becomes a chore and you just want to enjoy life.

>Doing a comparison of protein vs carby rich foods
>Use sugar cakes for the carb foods
Sounds pretty fucking biased. Eat nothing but whole vegetables for a week and tell me you don't feel full.

Myth.

Starch > Protein > Simple Carbs > Fat

It's just less likely to trigger cravings due to the low insulin response.

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>true ketosis
True keto diet was designed for epileptics, not for athletes.

depending on your activity level you can eat more carbs and protein and stay in ketosis, even though you are no longer on a strict or 'true' ketogenic diet.

>Eat nothing but whole vegetables
I've tried that, I felt bloated, not full. I would eat until I was fed up of eating, but I never felt satiated.

That's how you're supposed to feel. You're not supposed to feel hungry all the time, and you're not supposed to eat until you feel sick, and for the love of god you're not supposed to eat in a certain way until your body becomes a paint thinner manufacturing facility. You're supposed to eat 90% plants and just feel full.

i'm supposed to feel bloated and hungry, instead of feeling good and satisfied?

No, you just don't know what feeling full actually feels like.

>feeling full

you think "feeling full" is the same as feeling satiated.

you don't know what satiated means.

All in your head. And you've tricked yourself into thinking you're not "satiated" Until you've eaten so much fat that you feel like you're about to die. Fat heavy meals are disgusting, they make me feel ill, I've never eaten a substantial meal that was 70% fat and not regretted it afterwards.

> Fat heavy meals are disgusting, they make me feel ill, I've never eaten a substantial meal that was 70% fat and not regretted it afterwards.

that's you.
High carb meals don't agree with me. High fiber ones are even worse.

not everyone is the same

Fair enough

cakes croissants and biscuits are carb and fat containing foods that are heavily processed too that I haven'r referenced as being satiating.
yikes, seems like the one who's illiterate here is you.
Check the most satiating foods ranked, the first one is white potatos LMAO.

Yes you do, in fact if you wanna get real autistic in order to be in full ketosis you need to be literally starving yourself and eating nothing for days straight.
the more protein you eat the less ketogenic your diet is.
Yeah, which is why retards claiming that a ketogenic is high or low protein are just that, retards.
A true ketogenic "diet" is almost completely composed of fat, a true ketosis state is only achieved by starving yourself.
So in the end there's no actual true keto diet, just what people assume it's a keto diet.

These threads, while obnoxious, are a nice break from the vegan shitposting.

Cant tell if this is toddler-tier memetic psyops to convince people to bloatmaxx on carbs.

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>literally starving yourself and eating nothing for days straight
*fasting

You don't know keto ok bro? You dont. Ok? Now stop ok bro? Stop. Ok?

I dont do keto but I always feel slimmer when i cut down on carbs. Like some dinners I only have vegetables and meat. Carbs are usually empty calories.

The keto diet seems pretty scientifically sound, I personally just dont see a need.

which is literally starvation, yeah
lmao
based

Starvation is actually death from hunger, which isn't quite the same.

>carbs are usually empty calories
there are no empty calories even fucking coke has no empty calories because calories always have something to offer, in the case of calories coming from HFCS it prevents catabolism at the very least and upregultes nutrienty recycling.
Your muscles are fuller and more pumped on carbs, they also expand your veins and make them more noticeable, your body feels warmer.
Keto diet should only be used in people suffering from certain types of cancer and people with certain neurological disorders.

starvation doesn't require death in order to occur, starvation is a process, not an end goal
thus fasting is literally synonymous with starvation because you are eating literally 0 food, starvation occurs even when you are eating some food, so why isn't fasting starvation?

Correct. Keto works but only on severe calorie restriction accompanied. Lipids you eat go straight to fat tissue.

the point is that the fats go to fat stores almost immediately and youre not eating any carbs for immediate energy from the food

What is this?

I told my fat retard friend the same shit.
But if you eat at a deficit it will work. Just not as quickly or efficiently as fasting.

Answer this question.
If you have a surplus of body fat, which your body has stored for future energy reserves because you literally ate so much it couldn't use all that energy, how does it make sense to eat more food? Your body has all the energy you need to maintain itself.

T.brainlet

Keto just sounds like a rebranded Atkins Diet to me. Is there any appreciable difference.

it sounds more sciencey
It works though. Dropped 20 lb in 7 weeks with OMAD keto

Fuck off, the biggest advocado is /ourguy/ Dom.
Remember to take your insulin today, mate.

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its older than atkins by about 60 years

it is just a macro nutrient ratio, you do not have to eat meat, you do not have to avoid vegetables. you can do vegan keto if you want to

It just means eating high fat, moderate protein and very low carbs

a lot of people that claim to be keto are actually doing a modified atkins diet

a lot of people who diet aren't actually dieting because they don't weight their food and dont actually know what they're eating in the first place.

do you think you turn into a carb if you eat a lot of carbs too?

>Fuck off, the biggest advocado is /ourguy/ Dom.
you mean the one that doesn't advocate a ketogenic diet for bodybuilding or sports performance purposes, and that also gotten smaller and less defined as he adopted a less carb heavy diet?
Good to know, too bad jimmy moore is still severely more popular lmao, deal with it ketocel.

>0 arguments
t. brainlet buttmad ketocel
>surplus of fat
answer me this, what's a surplus of fat?
you mean having ANY bodyfat at all? or having more bodyfat than you need to survive?
Pretty much anyone that goes through starvation has a "surplus of bodyfat".
The problem is that you are gonna suffer through starvation, just surviving is meaningless in this day and age, we want to thrive, people have survived starvation in concentration camps, doesn't mean it is ideal.
>how does it make sense to eat more food?
it does make sense when you actually look at the requirements of mammals, they need glucose, which has to come from either the diet or their own tissues(mainly muscle), furthermore we need amino acids in order to survive, and your muscles have a limited supply.

A picture of me IRL

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>people have survived starvation in concentration camps, doesn't mean it is ideal
if you look at the photos, it shows that it really is ideal for weight loss
And I'm not talking about living on body fat forever, just long enough that you lose the excess storage and then transition to eating to maintain a healthy weight

>ideal for WEIGHT loss
we don't just want to lose weight and turn into skeletons though, we want to preserve or increase muscle mass and lose bodyfat, you can't do both while starving.
I can't think of a single person who would benefit from LOSING muscle mass.

Fasting is muscle-sparing compared to traditional caloric restriction.Caloric restriction lowers your metabolism whereas fasting does not. So when you end a cut, your BMR is actually lower than when you started and you require fewer Calories to maintain your weight, thus it's easier to gain fat again. This is not the case with prolonged fasting (>48 hr)

>These results demonstrate that GH-possibly by maintenance of circulating concentrations of free IGF-I--is a decisive component of protein conservation during fasting and provide evidence that the underlying mechanism involves a decrease in muscle protein breakdown.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11147801

Notice how your quote says "possibly"
In fact, there's 0 evidence that growth hormone is anabolic, plenty of bodybuilders and scientists are very open about this.
biolayne.com/articles/supplementation/growth-hormone-great-expectations/
youtube.com/watch?v=p1kPX7DoDWw

Insulin and igf1 on the other hand are the most anabolic hormones in the human body.
Growth hormone does not prevent muscle loss, growth hormone goes up when insulin levels go down, they are literal antagonists, it is a coping mechanism in the human body in order to not die, it is not optimal in any way whatsoever, furthermore that's just one study you posted, there are plenty looking at mechanistic data showing that fasting even short term is inferior for muscle anabolism.
Fasting does not preserve muscle mass, eating food preserves muscle mass.
When you fast your body tries to cope with starvation and does its best at preserving muscle, but again it is not anabolic.
Your energy expenditure goes down, which is another metabolic coping mechanism in order to not waste away, but again this is not optimal.
Muscle growth and even maintenance is an incredibly costly process, why would it not go down when you are fasting?

>Your energy expenditure goes down
not when fasting, only during traditional caloric restriction

>Glucose production rate declined 38% and resting metabolic rate decreased 8% during fasting. Plasma concentrations of testosterone, insulin, and triiodothyronine were reduced by fasting whereas plasma glucagon concentrations were increased. We conclude that there is increased proteolysis and oxidation of leucine on short-term fasting even though glucose production and energy expenditure decreased.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3661473

Resting energy expenditure increased significantly from 3.97 +/- 0.9 kJ/min on day 1 to 4.53 +/- 0.9 kJ/min on day 3 (P < 0.05). The increase in resting energy expenditure was associated with an increase in the norepinephrine concentration from 1716. +/- 574 pmol/L on day 1 to 3728 +/- 1636 pmol/L on day 4 (P < 0.05). Serum glucose decreased from 4.9 +/- 0.5 to 3.5 +/- 0.5 mmol/L (P < 0.05), whereas insulin did not change significantly.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10837292

>Subjects who completed the study maintained their body weight within 2 kg of their initial weight throughout the 6-mo period. There were no significant effects of meal frequency on heart rate, body temperature, or most of the blood variables measured. However, when consuming 1 meal/d, subjects had a significant increase in hunger; a significant modification of body composition, including reductions in fat mass; significant increases in blood pressure and in total, LDL-, and HDL-cholesterol concentrations; and a significant decrease in concentrations of cortisol.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17413096

>glucagon
Cringe

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Fasting is a meme you absolute faggot. Post body. You absolutely should not be giving advice to people if you’re a fat piece of shit like yourself.

>absolutely BTFO by scientific evidence and peer reviewed data
>post body faggot
git gud lest ye git REKT you fat boomer retard

ITT: Brainlets who don't know what hormones are
>hurr durr CICO is all that matters

We don't have to.
It's just not eating pure sugar like you carbo retards.

Meatcucks really are a fucking joke. Vegetarians, or 'Chattels of Cheese' as I call them, have absolutely no ethical grounding whatsoever.

The only way to live on this earth, and do so morally, is as a Vegan. This is how we know that God doesn't exist. If God existed, he either would have created toxins in cow and pig flesh to prevent humans consuming them, or he would have simply never created our joke of a species. There are no health benefits to any level of meat or dairy consumption. There is a reason that Vegans live longer, have healthier hearts, lower cholesterol, have higher response rates on dating websites, have higher IQ on average, tend to function better under stress, have a higher rate of success in the mirror test, are more likely to have an internal monologue, tend to adapt faster to new technologies, are more likely to be employed, are more likely to be able to locate various countries on a map, have higher SAT scores, have fewer crimes per capita, have lower murder rates in their communities, have higher and earlier literacy rates, are more likely to be atheist, are less likely to die from bee stings, are less likely to die of heart disease, have better dental health, are less likely to be bald, tend to be better painters, tend to have larger penises etc than meatcucks. It is all in the diet. All of those things are made worse by eating meat.

There is also not a single ethical argument that can be made in favour of meat consumption. I include lab grown meat in this. Lab grown meat is fucking disgusting. Lab grown meat is exactly the same as having a sex doll in the shape of a 2 year old infant. If anyone eats it they are no better than a fucking child rapist. Fuck meatcucks and dairycucks. Pic related. Go Vegan or die.

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S V 3 R I G E

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>Start doing strict keto and maintenance calories if not slightly more
>Weight going down and less fat on the mirror

Well. I must be a genetic freak

The complete opposite of the truth.

Why do people feel hungry all the time when they first switch to keto? Because fats aren't satiating nor are proteins in comparison to complex carbs.

But that's just a lie?
Why would you lie?

GOMAD is a weight loss diet after all

>milk has more carbs than protein or fat
>GOMAD is a weight loss diet
try harder m8

>Eat a bunch of carbs
>Body starts burning carbs for fuel
>"Hurr it must be burning body carbs and not all the carbs I'm eating"

Never felt hungry during keto. If anything it was because I was also on a caloric deficit. Besides even if potatoes or quinoa are quite satiating at first. After a high carb meal I'm hungry after 2 hours. That didn't happen when I lowered the carbs and increased fat. And yes I ate complex carbs. Anyways that is just my experience and I made better progress with a low carb diet than a balanced one. Of course at the end its cico but low carb/high fat make it easier and eliminates cravings for me.

Bro I'm on so called keto right now and I gotta force myself to eat. Legit had about 1 lb of spinach, 4oz of chicken and 10 tablespoons of ranch. Was the last actual meal I had 2 days ago. I still workout but I take caffeine pills and whey protein with almond milk before I do.

>1 lb of spinach, 4oz of chicken and 10 tablespoons of ranch
If that was my diet I'd have to force myself to eat that shit too
Pic related is keto. Whatever the fuck you're on sounds like some retard shit

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>a diet older than your fucking grandparents doesn't work
>i know this because i'm a dipshit with less than half the facts and zero knowledge about biology

absolute state of fit

>Shovel junk food down your mouth all your life
>Start doing keto and seeing results
>"Wow! Carbs must be the problem and not my shitty choice of foods and excessive caloric intake"

I'm lactose intolerant so GOMAD would work as a weight loss diet for me.

If keto is so good, why is there no keto general

check and mate

There used to be but then all the ketofags died off.

Where did he say it was only way?

Are you assuming I was obese? I never ate too much of the bad stuff. MCdonalds once every two months, cinema popcorn every other month too. Are you trying to inform people or are you just trying to destroy keto momentum? I also start getting up much more slowly when I introduce carbs. I also get itchy and feel bloated (like I have for 25 years now). It happens a week into carbs, and it continues happening until I cut carbs and go back to keto

Try eating raw liver some time. It is literally impossible to over eat as its so nutrient dense that your brain tells you to stop very, very quickly. THAT is satiety, not what you're talking about.

What would they even talk about? How they slipped up and ate an apple?

On one hand, I want to fall for the bait. On the other hand, chicken wing prices are going up cuz people are catching on that fatty foods arnt the enemy.
Fats are terrible keto is a sham!

The maconutrient that produces the highest leptin response is carbohydrate. You know what the absolute highest food on the satiety index is, by far? The potato. A starchy tuber that's mostly carbs. You know what's incredibly low on the satiety index? The peanut. A fatty legume.

ernaehrungsdenkwerkstatt.de/fileadmin/user_upload/EDWText/TextElemente/Ernaehrungswissenschaft/Naehrstoffe/Saettigung_Lebensmittel_Satiety_Index.pdf

Ketotards BTFO yet again.

cico is a meme. All calories aren't created equal.

do you not know what a calorie is you fucking brainlet? have you ever had physics in school or are you living in a shit hole

I did a 32 day fast and lost about a pound a day. Only a third of it was fat. Fasting preserves muscle like communism preserves free speech.

>ketocel
Thanks for the hardest cringe ive had all week

>what is nutrient partitioning

A calorie is the amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 degree Celsius. Sounds stupider with the definition. Do cicocucks actually believe this?

what is there to believe you absolute moron. Can you not comprehend simple physics? Even a nigger like me can understand it. Energy can not just go away. Maybe your NEAT increases the more you eat and decreases on a cut yes, and that can definitely mess with your calculations, but it's so simple to correct yet you retards claim physics don't work on humans. fucking kek

>Why do people feel hungry all the time when they first switch to keto?

Have you read anything about the process of going into ketosis, at all? If you fast for 3 days straight you'll be in ketosis for sure, burning fat for energy. Normies are shit at diets and they fuck keto up for the most part. Getting properly fat adapted when switching onto a keto diet will take a while, especially when some people will still be eating 30-50 grams of carbs a day.

If you actually ever tried keto you'd know that it will be the least hungry you've ever felt.