>Strenght increase dosent really matter if you cheated
>Have to actually spend money on gear
>If you lift for grills then what the vast vast majority of them consideres attractive is possible natty
But at the end of the day nobody gives a shit whether you jump on or not OP
You do you. If you want it, go for it.
A bit unrelated but
>tfw you find out a few buddies who are smaller than you even though they have trained longer have used roids
>seriously why do we care so much? just so we can feel better about our pathetic lifts and physique by being "muh lifetime natty"?
>we
Don't speak for me you cunt. Go be a faggot on your own and don't include me you mongoloid
Tell me more about sarms
OHP is trash for shoulder development and shrugs are the absolute worst trap builder on the earth. Shrugs being really effective are in fact a trash meme created to explain away explosive trap growth after steroid cycles.
>deadlift 240, OHP 90
KG? Because that is weak for a year and a half if lbs and pretty good for a natty if kg.
>pretty good
if he's below 20% body fat that's literally impossible numbers
Roids are fucking stupid
the whole point of being fit is having a healthy body
u don't have a healthy body when doing roids
If ohp is terrible, what's the best compound for shoulders?
Standing dumbbell rows?
The point is finding out what your natural limit is. After 3 or 4 years of dedicated natural training, i wouldn´t judge anyone who takes roids.
Mind tho, that you can train half assed for years and years and never reach your natural limits.
Also it is a big ego boost to know that theres people at your gym that take gear for quite some time and are still much weaker than you...
If i was you i wouldnt start until i know that i tried and gave everything.