FAQ

FAQ
>What is /fast/?
Fast is a thread for the discussion of snake juice fasting, dry fasting, OMAD, OMAW, AFD and IF (Why should I fast?
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3946160/
reddit.com/r/intermittentfasting/wiki/studies
idmprogram.com/difference-calorie-restriction-fasting-fasting-27/
Read all of these, they might answer some other questions you may want to ask.

See your doctor before fasting if you have any sort of chronic illness (type 1 diabetes, malnourished, underweight, pregnant, breastfeeding)

>How do I safely do an extended fast (approx. 4-5+ days)
New snake juice recipe here - youtube.com/watch?v=1onQ0nxgWFM

>2000mg of sodium (preferably Himalayan Pink Salt) max
>4700mg of saltless potassium max (NoSalt/LoSalt are high potassium-low sodium salts available in grocery stores or Amazon and the like)
Mix these in a liter of water and sip it throughout the day. The apple cider vinegar and lemon are optional but recommended for 10+ day fasts.
You can also do this if you feel lightheaded, weak, dizzy, nauseous, etc., on shorter water fasts. Don’t do this while intermittent fasting.

>Won’t I go into starvation mode?
No. It only occurs at extremely low body fat (4% or less).

>Can I workout?
Yes. But don't overdo it.

>Will (something with calories) break my fast?
Yes.

>Can I drink coffee, tea, and diet soda? Or anything with artificial sweeteners?
Black, unsweetened coffee and tea - YES!
Diet drinks and artificial sweeteners are debatable (continuously)

>Do I need a multivitamin?
No. Fat burning provides sufficient vitamins

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Other urls found in this thread:

idmprogram.com/fasting-physiology-part-ii/
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

new thread, if you have to ask no you can't bloody eat it. water, green tea, and black coffee only

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First proper OP in a while edition.

yea, forgot to add edition. welp

I mean isn't any pure traditional tea alright so long as you don't add anything to it?

On my third day brehs. I guess i feel less dizzy than yesterday? Do I have to finish my snake juice in a day or just drink it to alleviate symptoms?

Any black/green/chai etc, as long as it does not contain fruit.

>/fast/ in name field and not in subject
>no edition
Still better than the previous thread

If you are running to the bathroom or feel light headed, stop drinking snake juice. If you feel tired as hell drink more snake juice. You don't have to finish it in a day. Also don't drink it just because you feel hungry. Tough it out, day 2-3 is always the worst. Godspeed user.

I'm going to see how i feel tomorrow and decide how long i want to do this. I almost won't want to stop because these first few days are so awful.

How do you guys do such long extended fasts? I'm 6 days in and literally crawling up the walls I have no cravings/ hunger yet I am obsessed with food, it's all I think about.

I'm going to break my fast tomorrow and resume again on Monday any advice how to do a month long fast?

Don't break it, go for as long as possible. Trust me it's far worse to break the fast just to restart a few days later. I get the same food obsession thoughts. Try to distract yourself with activity. For me I either go for a walk, or I play some video games. If the wife is home I bone her. I'm on day 3, not planning to break it until day 20. Drink your snake juice.

I've been doing that man, ive gone to the cinema 8 times this week video games all other times yet i cant keep my mind of fixating about food

how the hell do you boys do 20 to 40 day fasts?! I only got to around 5 before caving in

It sucks my dude, but you can make it. I also take 2 tbsp of apple cider vinegar with 1/2 tsp of baking soda mixed in daily. It helps me a lot. If you try it make sure the baking soda completely dissolves in it otherwise you risk messing up your teeth. Something to do with the PH balance. I hope this helps. If you really can't make the fast you can break it, but you will probably regret it later. Good luck.

what's the current best snake juice recipe?

piss

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thanks for the support bud but im calling it tomorrow, all the best with your 20 day run

what should I eat after two or three days of snake juice diet?
should I eat one meal then go straight back on the diet, or eat normally for the whole day?

You can eat normally if it's just a few days. You will get a stomach ache if you eat too much, so don't worry about overeating. If it's over 5 days you can break it with some fermented veggies like pickles or kimchi. If you don't like those you can try watermelon but personally I would avoid the sugar.

If I'm lifting, is breaking the snake juice fast with meat fine?
Nothing big, just a small homemade burger for example

I've broken fasts with all kinds of food, you will get a stomach ache most likely but you will be fine.

Thanks pham

can I do unsweetened yogurt for the fermented part? like I hate most fermented vegetables

I've never tried yogurt, avoiding dairy seems to expedite weight loss though. You can eat pretty much anything, just eat very little at the start and listen to your body.

20# in 3 weeks, ~30# to go

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have you seen what cole eats?

like 2 kg of bacon and 4 kg of cucumbers

i think you'll be fine my man

Can you take phenibut while fasting?

When do I weigh myself? Every morning after I wake up? After taking a shit?

Yes, been waiting for the return of /fast/. I get really bad restless leg syndrome on day 2 of a fast so I decided to try snake juice. Couldn't find NoSalt so I just got potassium tablets. I make an electrolyte cocktail of 1 potassium tab, a table spoon of magnesium bisglycinate, baking soda, and pink himalayan rock salt. I've also got some apple cider vinegar. Trying to go for at least 3 days, will go longer depending on how I feel. Is there anything else I should look out for, or any advice for my first >60 hour fast?

potassium tablets are in usually 100mg doses, snake juice 2L contains over 1000mg. restless legs or cramping usually indicates low potassium. If you cannot get the no-salt, on a refeed eat an avocado or two to buffer your potassium stores.

I don't take the baking soda as I find i feel unwell while taking it, personal preference.

Preferably both (wake up, take a shit, weigh in). However, go more by looks than by weight. Chances are you've miscalculated your goal weight. I know I did.

Unwell how? Care to elaborate on your symptoms? I wanna know if some of the uncomfortable side effects I feel are from the baking soda and not the high sodium in general.

Not going to continue the long fasts after immediately after I refeed, I do IF every day, usually bounce between OMAD/20:4. should I just add more potassium tabs if I find the RLS getting bad?

Recommended, but avoid going over 3000mg within a 12hr period of potassium.

Or if you are doing OMAD, just eat veggies ;)

Yeah, I usually do an omelette w/ pemeal bacon, beef, mushrooms, jalapenos, spinach and cheese. Followed by a quest bar, and a smoothie w/ coconut milk, hemp hearts, protein, almond butter, spinach, kale, a full avocado, a raw egg, MCT oil, stevia, and some salt, (recommend trying it, tastes like cake batter). I'm doing the long fast to get myself back into ketosis after cheat(ish) day, (had some ice cream), for discipline, and to speed up the cut.

thats a big meal :). chk the carb content of the bars, most of them are rubbish.

do you go by net carbs (4gs) or actual carbs (20gs), I've been eating them for like a week and I've been in keto the whole time.

if it works, then thats good ;) no sense over complicating fasting. Important part as always is time spent in ketosis.

How much of a fuckup am I for eating 40 nugs after fasting?

At least it's mostly protein. Far better than a mountain of rice or pasta.

Crossposting from /fat/
Is 19:5 considered fasting? sometimes I do 18:6 if I'm busy and can't have lunch exactly 5 hours after breakfast

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> Mostly protein
Jesus fuck no. Nuggets aren't made from chicken breast, they're made from leftover shit made into a pulp and molded after, so they're supper fatty. A good nugget will have around 1:1 fat/protein ratio which is fucking SHIT, AND THAT'S FOR A QUALITY NUGGET NOT MCSHIT.
Also the crunchy layer is just bread fried in oil so you're looking at a shitload of carbs.
If you're craving shit food at least get chicken tendies or crunchy chicken breast instead of nuggets

Look I know it's crap food, but still better than some other options. I was just trying to make the poor user feel less shit. Also dietary fat is not bad for you.

16:8 is not fasting, 24hrs is barely qualifying.

If you are obese, consider 14 day+. Pop over the discord and start reading here:

idmprogram.com/fasting-physiology-part-ii/

Nevermind I only ate 20 I have a smaller stomach now I'll eat better quality food

Good, keep it up.

what's with that jump upwards?

All tripfags should be banned. I’m glad you got so butthurt over the last thread to develop that queer trip. Stay fat and miserable instead of lifting weights and learning self control, kids.

Isn't fasting one of the highest forms of self control? You're literally fighting one of your most basic animal instincts.

> says the faggot thats butthurt enough to post in a thread he hates just to queef about his angst
heres a pity (You)

I did 16, the first week was really bad but after that I felt pretty good, could've gone for longer but I reached my goal.

>IF (

omad

Why not just use a product like "Sqwincher Lite Mixed Berry" in place of Snake Juice? It's a zero calorie electrolyte replenishing drink and it sure as shit tastes better than weird salty water.

Could someone poke holes into why that would be a bad idea that isn't "muh added colours" and have actual scientific backing that IF the sweetener in it caused an insulin reaction that it'd be negative for the fast? It's sweetened with sucralose, IDK if that's one of the insulin triggering ones or not.

It's cheaper and easily accessible that's why I do it

I don't doubt it, and I would even suggest that the bulk of a persons intake on the snake diet should still be Snake Juice, but I want to know if throwing in one of these packets that is intended for 500ml into the 2 litre mixture of Snake Juice (plus 200-300 extra ML to balance the electrolytes I guess) would be negative in any way to the process. I feel like even a small amount of added flavor would increase the palatability a lot.

This seems genuinely productive. I have some baking soda and himalayan pink rock salt lying around; is there an easy or common way to source the rest?

I’m going to attempt this tomorrow. I estimate I’m around 20-25%bf. Genetically quite muscular, but that leads me to my next question: Will I lose much muscle mass? If so, is there a recommended way to retain it throughout?

Finally, what’s the average Jow Forumsizens fast duration? I’m thinking of attempting between 5 and 10 days, but I’d love to hear some anecdotes.

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Ofc. I meant more for the potassium/magnesium if they could be found or substituted via items found in the average kitchen rather than go straight to the online shopping option

How much body fat did you lose?

Sweet = insulin spike

Maybe it won't effect your ketosis, but I'm not going to catablolize any more muscle than is absolutely necessary. Keeping insulin as low as possible, as long as possible seems to be the best way to do it.

Also best way to kick your addictions, your psychological addiction to food, and decrease your leptin and insulin resistance.

But sure, if you want to add sweet shit to your water, do whatever makes you happy.

i miss grandpa omaw

>Sweet = insulin spike

Are our bodies really so stupid and non adaptive that they don't eventually learn that a particular substance doesn't require an insulin boost?

Am I the only one getting a noticeable mood elevating effect from IF? It diminishes but is still there when I break my fast.

Sucralose doesn't spike insulin.

>Sucralose activates the sweet receptors in taste buds, and some in vitro studies have shown that sucralose can stimulate the release of incretin hormones, which increase the secretion of insulin, via the sweet taste receptors in enteroendocrine cells (located in the gut). An in vivo study of sucralose infusions into the gut, however, showed that it does not stimulate the incretin hormones GLP-1 or GIP, does not release insulin, and does not slow gastric emptying.

>Another in vivo study, this time using healthy human subjects, got similar results: oral dosing of sucralose did not induce a cephalic insulin response, nor did it affect GLP-1. Not even appetite was affected.

>The commercial version of sucralose, Splenda, is cut with dextrose as a bulking agent. Dextrose is essentially glucose, which certainly elicits an insulin response, so there’s definitely the potential for a slight insulin response to Splenda, but there’s not much if any evidence that sucralose has an independent in vivo effect on insulin.

>Recently, a review of in vivo studies concluded that “low-energy sweeteners” do not have any of the effects on insulin, appetite, or blood glucose predicted by “in vitro, in situ, or knockout studies in animals.” As far as the clinical studies go, I think I’d have to agree. Am I going to use the stuff? No; there are other potential negative effects to artificial sweetener usage, including gut flora disturbances, the promotion of psychological dependencies on sweets, and long term safety issues, but I think it’s important to be clear on where the science lies. So far as I can tell, according to the literature there isn’t an appreciable insulin effect from most sweeteners.

Who are you quoting?

Without the details of the studies, this doesn't mean a whole lot. In vitro studies are models, but are basically useless here, we need to see how an organism reacts to a substance, not how reagents in a test tube behave. And gut infusions are equally useless, unless you plan on infusing sucralose directly into your gut and bypassing your taste buds.

Curious about that last singular study though. If it took place by feeding otherwise fasted humans a meaningful serving of sucralose, it could be really interesting.

here comes the artificial sweetener lobbyist in my /fast/ general

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Any food, sweet or otherwise will cause your insulin to rise. Does not matter if it's table sugar or a block of marbled beef. The degree of the rise is conditional to different factors, but it will always rise to some extent.

didn't you read what I pasted, though?

I did, but I don't necessarily trust that study. Insulin does rise no matter what you put in your body. That's all I was saying. Sucralose is a food, so it would act the same no?

>Sucralose is a food, so it would act the same no?

Perhaps, if that was the case though, the volume of the "food" is so infinitesimally small relative to what humans consume that IF it does have an effect it has to be incredibly small.

We're talking about far less than 1 gram for the average artificially sweetened beverage.

Less than 10% of a gram, on average, depending on the beverage. Sucralose sweetened soda is 4% of one gram.

Yeah yeah, a tenth of a gram of arsenic in the blood stream would be deadly, but these substances have been studied thoroughly.

Can I eat eggs on a fast?

Why would anyone imagine this scenario, let along animate it?

*Alone

Japan

omad is considered the bare minimum of fasting, since autophagy, along with the other goodness, begins at 18-20 hours so you're getting the the tip of the fasting benefits at the entry point.

after that, the next level is considered 36-48 wet (or dry if you're at that point) wet fasting (fasting approved liquids only). with 36-48hrs, you get a solid time frame of autophagy maintenance. from my own research, 16/8 or 18/6 (better since you get lunch at noon and dinner at 6) gets you in the proper mindset of what to expect. if thats no problem for you, you move to omad for however long you need, till you feel you can move on to higher levels of fasting.

don't just jump in and go "herpaderp i can 72hr fast no sweat". not many people have the discipline to just go cold turkey as such. but hey, im just a user on a mongolian yak image board, you do you.

Anybody? Is Jow Forums dead these days?

dead due to fasting and starvation

You could try reading the thread, reading archived threads, checking out the videos in the OP, or googling.

It would be a waste of time to answer your questions. Put a little bit of effort in and do some research.

How do you guys cope with bowel movements? I ate 3 times this week (48h fast)and i went to the bathroom only once

rookie numbers
i can't poop for 10 days

How much do you fast? I had to take some lactulose+senna twice yesterday at the end of my fast and i basically shat water. Not sure if is ok not to defecate for that long.

48-72h weekend and 600 calorie omad weekdays

i forgot when i force myself to poop, i just farted like crazy

Do we have to maintain the same window?

For example, my eating window is 2PM-10PM, but today I drank a shake at 1 AM and am planning to not eat my next meal until 5PM tomorrow

maintain the fasting window or extend. the eating window should be reduced as much as possible

How much new recipe snake juice should I aim for daily?

RIP

or reading the sticky yes, yes I know. Some questions are faster answered than researched

Depends completely on how much you sweat, how big you are, and generally what your needs are.

I was at 2lt/day (a bit more sodium and potassium than the recipe in the OP) when I was training Judo during the hot Greek summer.

Now it's exams time and I sit on my ass all day doing pushups and pullups every now and then, if I drink more than 1lt snake juice for the whole day I get the runs.

For now, I just put 1/4tsp pink salt, 1/4tsp potassium salt, and 1/4 tsp baking soda in a big (>300ml) glass with water and drink it slowly in the morning, and then drink water for the rest of the day.

General guidelines to salt intake:
>feel weak (in the tired sense)
add sodium
>get cramps
add potassium
>feel lightheaded or weak (not in the tired sense but in the weak legs sense)/get diarrhea
cut back on salts or stop entirely, drink more water