So creatine and caffeine work against each other, caffeine has diuretic properties while creatine attempts to store water in the muscles. I only recent figured out that caffeine has a major detrimental affect on creatine, I always thought it was minor and nearly insignificant. So my question is, if I took my usual 5g creatine, and then took tons of caffeine and flushed out my system because I pissed a ton of water, do I need to take more creatine so that it can bind to the water molecules and bond to muscle fibers? Did my body already expel or "wash out" the creatine I took because it never had a chance to bond, or does it stay "dormant" in the muscle mass and absorb water as I go?
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Carson Parker
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Noah Campbell
You're taking your creatine regularly? If you consumed enough caffeine to washout and lose all water weight, you need to reload. That means 20g/day for 5 days. Caffeine will cause dehydration, so your body will use and discard all bonded creatine with water. You need to either limit caffeine, or consume way more water, preferably the former. Diuretics will cause death to that creatine, you're losing creatine before it gets a chance to bond to swiftly processed water, and losing bonded creatine if you're body is determining you're too dehydrated for it.
William Scott
Ok thanks
Wyatt Miller
Can you please link to any source showing diminished gains from caffeine while on creatine?
Because this sounds purely speculative. The minor diuretic effects of caffeine shouldn't reduce intracellular volume meaningfully.
Luke Barnes
It's just competition for water, dehydration will negate creatine, but no shit.
Anthony Brown
just drink more water
Ryan Wood
Sauceless bro science
Owen Adams
this isn't something worth worrying about
Bentley Foster
>Caffiene will dehydrate you and thus discard the water bonded creatine.
>Can you please give me a sauce on this?
It's called 5th grade science you fool.
Kayden Phillips
ITT: dipshit bro science
just drink more water
Joseph Phillips
It's called you are full of shit and a bro science spouting faggot
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Chase Young
Is water retention even part of the functional mechanism of creatine? I thought it just worked because creatine is a molecule that's part of the ATP production pathway and having more=more ATP.
Christian Lewis
fucking retard kill yourself scum
Dylan Foster
I'm also interested. How does taking creating combine with pre-workouts containing caffeine?
Oliver Hughes
It isn't speculative, the issue is caffeine competing for hydration resources with creatine, and the idea that dehydration (somewhat severe, might I add) would keep creatine from having water to bond to. No water to bond to = dormant creatine, basically. You need to stay hydrated.
I don't know why someone would want to take such exorbitant amounts of caffeine to cause this level of dehydration anyway. Plus the creatine, I'm sure long term abuse would cause damage to one's kidneys.
Juan Perry
Perhaps someone else can make use of these findings.
Source:
Creatine and Caffeine: Considerations for Concurrent Supplementation.
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Oliver Turner
Evidence strongly supports the efficacy of creatine supplementation in high-intensity exercise, particularly in the context of repeated bouts or bouts lasting 30 s or less (Branch, 2003; Kreider, 2003). There is evidence to suggest that caffeine supplementation improves strength and sprint outcomes in bouts of 90 s or less (Table 1), but findings are mixed and may be heavily influenced by participant training status, sample size, and the specific exercise protocol employed.
Samuel Reed
Offtopic but
Should I take creatine only on gym days or also on rest days?
Josiah Morris
I take it on rest days for maximum muscle recovery
Ryder Roberts
20g per day 10 day loading phase, one such phase every 3 months
after that, 5g morning 5g before bed (with a protein shake that has carbs) without exceptions
Two sentences that answer any potential question you may have about creatine
Oliver Davis
what's the point in repeating the loading phase?
Julian Cook
Ok thanks user.
Lincoln Sanders
You usually don't need that if you take 10g every single day without exception, but people pull any kinds of excuses so its better to schedule a refeed just in case
If you're completely dedicated and do not miss a single day, and keep eating meat pretty much daily, you'll never need one
Lincoln Hernandez
5g/day*
Lincoln Gomez
alright thanks, because I know the basics of loading phases and clearance from school so reloading didn't make sense
Jonathan Harris
this may be the stupidest thread on /fit. congratulations, that is not an easy accomplishment.
caffeine will dehydrate you faster but it won't "counteract" the creatine. The creatine still does its job. what you need to worry about is kidney stones. you are flushing out more water, faster. you need to drink more water to compensate.
Michael Perez
This is bro science. One will not cancel out the other.