Creatine and caffeine

It's called you are full of shit and a bro science spouting faggot

bodybuilding.com/content/creatine-combinations-what-works.html

Is water retention even part of the functional mechanism of creatine? I thought it just worked because creatine is a molecule that's part of the ATP production pathway and having more=more ATP.

fucking retard kill yourself scum

I'm also interested. How does taking creating combine with pre-workouts containing caffeine?

It isn't speculative, the issue is caffeine competing for hydration resources with creatine, and the idea that dehydration (somewhat severe, might I add) would keep creatine from having water to bond to. No water to bond to = dormant creatine, basically. You need to stay hydrated.

I don't know why someone would want to take such exorbitant amounts of caffeine to cause this level of dehydration anyway. Plus the creatine, I'm sure long term abuse would cause damage to one's kidneys.

Perhaps someone else can make use of these findings.
Source:
Creatine and Caffeine: Considerations for Concurrent Supplementation.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26219105

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Evidence strongly supports the efficacy of creatine supplementation in high-intensity exercise, particularly in the context of repeated bouts or bouts lasting 30 s or less (Branch, 2003; Kreider, 2003). There is evidence to suggest that caffeine supplementation improves strength and sprint outcomes in bouts of 90 s or less (Table 1), but findings are mixed and may be heavily influenced by participant training status, sample size, and the specific exercise protocol employed.

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Offtopic but
Should I take creatine only on gym days or also on rest days?

I take it on rest days for maximum muscle recovery

20g per day 10 day loading phase, one such phase every 3 months
after that, 5g morning 5g before bed (with a protein shake that has carbs) without exceptions

Two sentences that answer any potential question you may have about creatine